Batting 3rd

[JUGGERNAUT]

I'm hoping for this:

1. Scott Podsednik LF

2. Aaron Rowand CF

DL/3. Thomas

3/4. Paul Konerko 1B

4/5. Jermaine Dye RF

5/B. Carl Everett DH

6. Juan Uribe SS

7. Tadahito Iguchi 2B

8. A.J. Pierznynski C

9. Joe Crede 3B

 

I think 1,2,6,7 is where you always try to concentrate your speed.

If Iggy proves himself as #2 in ST, I'd swap him for Rowand & then swap Rowand & Uribe. If Dye proves himself as a #3 in ST then I'll swap him & Konerko but I'd like to keep Thomas at #3 since he's always had his best #'s in that spot.

[BridgeportHeather]

I'd like for Rowand to hit in the 3-spot with Konerko right behind him...Dye right ahead of Rowand. Rowand turned into the complete hitter we all dreamed of having last year.

[JUGGERNAUT]

I'd like for Rowand to hit in the 3-spot with Konerko right behind him...Dye right ahead of Rowand.  Rowand turned into the complete hitter we all dreamed of having last year.

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Apr 226A, May 283A Jun-Aug 350A, Sep-Oct 271A : Quite a summer!

Career #'s:

ARow .342O .475S .290A vs JeDye .334O .463S .272A

Aaron has 22SB in 400+ gms & Dye has 23SB in 1000+ gms. I think you have to bat Aaron ahead of Dye.

[sircaffey]

Some people talk like Konerko batting 4th is a slap in the face. Like "Dye hasn't earned it." Pauly is the cleanup hitter. You put your RBI guy there. Pauly is ours...Dye has proven himself over the course of his career. While Rowand is very good, I don't think he's ready to take on that roll yet. Dye is a fine #3 hitter for the time being...

[EvilJester99]

I would think either Dye or Everett will hit 3rd until Frank comes back. If Everett has dropped all that weight he may be a decent choice there.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 07:28 PM)

i love rowand batting in the 6th spot it just shows how deep our lineup is. 

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Actually it's sad. It shows that Ozzie still carries a vendetta over AROW. He was hotter then heck and was still in the 7th hole. Ozzie needs to get rid of a jealous vendetta and put AROW where he belongs, which is the 2nd or 3rd spot. A place where he can carry the team.

[Spod=Ratings]

Actually it's sad. It shows that Ozzie still carries a vendetta over AROW. He was hotter then heck and was still in the 7th hole. Ozzie needs to get rid of a jealous vendetta and put AROW where he belongs, which is the 2nd or 3rd spot. A place where he can carry the team.

 

 

Ya i agree and in the bottom of the ninith sox down by 1 top of the order i would much rather have Rowand as the possible last out then dye

[JUGGERNAUT]

I would think either Dye or Everett will hit 3rd until Frank comes back. If Everett has dropped all that weight he may be a decent choice there.

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In a traditional lineup you put the guy with the best average at 3 & the guy with the most HR at 4. Koney has the adv in both but his HR's greatly distinquish him from the other 2. I agree he's better suited for 4th.

 

I have 3 lineups depending on how good Iggy looks in ST:

Worst case:

1. Scott Podsednik LF

2. Aaron Rowand CF

3. Dye/Thomas RF/DH

4. Konerko

5. Everett/Dye DH/RF

6. Juan Uribe SS

7. A.J. Pierznynski C

8. Joe Crede 3B

9. Tadahito Iguchi 2B

 

Better case:

1. Scott Podsednik LF

2. Aaron Rowand CF

3. Dye/Thomas RF/DH

4. Konerko

5. Everett/Dye DH/RF

6. Juan Uribe SS

7. Tadahito Iguchi 2B

8. A.J. Pierznynski C

9. Joe Crede 3B

 

Best case:

1. Scott Podsednik LF

2. Tadahito Iguchi 2B

3. Rowand/Thomas RF/DH

4. Konerko

5. Dye/Rowand RF/CF

6. Everett/Dye/Rowand DH/RF

7. Juan Uribe SS

8. A.J. Pierznynski C

9. Joe Crede 3B

 

Rowand had 24 HR in 04. More than Dye. Typically you stress HR over speed.

When Thomas returns if Rowand is outperforming Dye he should be #5 otherwise #6.

[Rowand44]

Actually it's sad. It shows that Ozzie still carries a vendetta over AROW. He was hotter then heck and was still in the 7th hole. Ozzie needs to get rid of a jealous vendetta and put AROW where he belongs, which is the 2nd or 3rd spot. A place where he can carry the team.

What the........?? Ozzie has a vendetta against Aaron?? Now I've heard it all. :headshake

[AngelasDaddy0427]

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 10:30 PM)

What the........??  Ozzie has a vendetta against Aaron?? Now I've heard it all. :headshake

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Well there has to be some reason when your best player is batting 7th when the team is desperate for offense. The fact is that it wasn't until Rowand gave him no choice did he finally put him at the top of the order. Now he wants to move him back to the bottom. Something messed up about that.

[Rowand44]

Well there has to be some reason when your best player is batting 7th when the team is desperate for offense. The fact is that it wasn't until Rowand gave him no choice did he finally put him at the top of the order. Now he wants to move him back to the bottom. Something messed up about that.

Ozzie obviously thinks that's the best part of the order for him, I disagree but I do agree he shouldn't be hitting 1st or 2nd. There is no doubt in my mind that as of right now Aaron should be either 3rd or 6th in the order, Ozzie wants to use him in the 6th hole so be it, if he continues to rake and Jermaine faulters a bit I'm sure you'll see him switch the lineup a little. I know you love aaron but jeez ozzie doesn't have a personal vendetta against the guy.

[sircaffey]

Actually it's sad. It shows that Ozzie still carries a vendetta over AROW. He was hotter then heck and was still in the 7th hole. Ozzie needs to get rid of a jealous vendetta and put AROW where he belongs, which is the 2nd or 3rd spot. A place where he can carry the team.

 

So Ozzie cost this team runs and wins because he didn't like a player? Somehow I find that extremely hard to believe. You can say he batted Aaron 7th because of stupidity, but to say he batted him 7th because he doesn't like him is absurd.

[WSFAN35]

Arow would be perfect batting 3rd.  This way, you continue your emphasis on speed at the top of the order.

Having speed at the top of the order is great, but speed needs to be spread evenly throughout the lineup. Dye will hit, so there's no real argument against having Dye bat third. Having Rowand at six will give us more speed towards the bottom of the order, which can help keep an inning going.

[CWSGuy406]

GHC --

 

You talking about Everett and his worthlessness from the right side (was it this thread?) gets me to thinking... we have absolutely nobody worth a damn from the right side.

 

The Cubs took a flyer on this kid, Hansen, Hanson, is his name? He's a natural 1B-man, isn't he? He would have been a great pickup for this team, especially if he's versetaille (don't know if he is -- can he play the corner OF spots?). I think he's a righty, but if he's not, scratch my idea. I'd have loved to see the Sox grab him, seeing as though his OBP is usually around .340-.350 off the top of my head...

 

I know a lot of people like our bench, and to a certain extent, I do too -- Harris, Gload, and Everett are all average to slightly above average players, which is really all you can ask for with a non-Yankee payroll. But, who do we bring in from the right side when we need a right handed pinch hitter for AJ Pierzynski in the ninth against JC Romero? Ben Davis?

 

At this point, Burke should be on the team over Davis, but that's JMHO.

[Gene Honda Civic]

GHC --

 

You talking about Everett and his worthlessness from the right side (was it this thread?) gets me to thinking...  we have absolutely nobody worth a damn from the right side.

 

The Cubs took a flyer on this kid, Hansen, Hanson, is his name?  He's a natural 1B-man, isn't he?  He would have been a great pickup for this team, especially if he's versetaille (don't know if he is -- can he play the corner OF spots?).  I think he's a righty, but if he's not, scratch my idea.  I'd have loved to see the Sox grab him, seeing as though his OBP is usually around .340-.350 off the top of my head...

 

I know a lot of people like our bench, and to a certain extent, I do too -- Harris, Gload, and Everett are all average to slightly above average players, which is really all you can ask for with a non-Yankee payroll.  But, who do we bring in from the right side when we need a right handed pinch hitter for AJ Pierzynski in the ninth against JC Romero?  Ben Davis?

 

At this point, Burke should be on the team over Davis, but that's JMHO.

I was just putting together a line-up, with three year splits side by side -- We've got some issues. We need a right handed bat... I hate Timo even more now.

 

So anyways here's what I put together

 

LHP                          RHP

Rowand  .298/.361/.523       Spod     .284/.354/.404

Iggy*   .285/.365/.475       Iggy*    .260/.333/.415

Dye     .255/.354/.413       Everett  .288/.361/.501

Konerko .299/.360/.540       Konerko  .265/.338/.461

Crede   .274/.321/.457       Rowand   .285/.321/.457

Uribe   .264/.303/.453       Pierz    .305/.353/.450

Everett .238/.301/.354       Dye      .240/.306/.429

Pierz   .262/.287/.396       Uribe    .257/.304/.407 

Spod    .246/.312/.387       Crede    .248/.298/.434

 

But Everett is useless vs. LHP, as noted before, so I took him out. Spod sucks too, so I lead rowand off again. Taking out Everett and replacing him with Gload, who has exagerated splits due to 47 lifetime AB's vs. LHP, but I'm much more confident with him than Everett. I come up with this

 

LHP                   

Rowand  .298/.361/.523

Iggy*   .285/.365/.475

Dye     .255/.354/.413

Konerko .299/.360/.540

Crede   .274/.321/.457

Gload** .383/.420/.574

Uribe   .264/.303/.453

Pierz   .262/.287/.396 

Spod    .246/.312/.387
 

** Only 47 AB's

 

Adding Thomas into the mix, I get this.

 

 

LHP                          RHP

Rowand  .298/.361/.523       Spod     .284/.354/.404

Iggy*   .285/.365/.475       Iggy*    .260/.333/.415

Thomas  .259/.407/.563       Thomas   .263/.381/.515

Konerko .299/.360/.540       Konerko  .265/.338/.461

Dye     .255/.354/.413       Rowand   .285/.321/.457

Crede   .274/.321/.457       Pierz    .305/.353/.450

Uribe   .264/.303/.453       Dye      .240/.306/.429

Pierz   .262/.287/.396       Uribe    .257/.304/.407

Spod    .246/.312/.387       Crede    .248/.298/.434 
 
 

                             Bench

                             Everett  .288/.361/.501

 

With Thomas back, we become much deeper (obvious I know). But what's clear is that Jurassic needs to be getting PT vs. RHP... He's better than Dye, Spod, and Rowand in that category... He's being wasted on the bench there.

 

 

* I estimated Iggy's splits, apparently, from what I've read atleast, he doesn't have an appreciable platoon split.

 

Some sorry ass f***in players on the bench vs. LHP

 

Timo - .154/.201/.191

Willie - .186/.234/.233

Everett - .238/.301/.354

Edited February 10, 2005 by Gene Honda Civic

[JUGGERNAUT]

One more time ...

1. Scott Podsednik LF - good speed

2. Aaron Rowand CF - good speed

3. Dye/Thomas

4. Konerko (277A)

5. Everett/Dye

6. Juan Uribe SS - good speed

7. Tadahito Iguchi 2B - good speed

8. A.J. Pierznynski C (272A)

9. Joe Crede 3B

 

I'm willing to risk starting Iggy at the 7th spot. We won't face CLE, MIN, or DET in ST but I think he'll do enough in ST to warrant the spot. I like the idea of a savy base runner hitting ahead of AJP because then his SB's will break up GIDP opps.

 

I like Pods-Aaron-Dye/Thomas a lot because of their 2B+3B production.

Pods 36, Aaron 40, Dye 33/Thomas 35. Koney(277A) 21,

Everett 30/Dye 33,

Uribe 37, Iggy 36, AJP(272A) 30. Crede 26.

 

There's at least a 27.7% chance of a score when one of Pods, Aaron, or Dye/Thomas 2B.

There's at least a 27.2% chance of a score when one of Everett/Dye, Uribe, or Iggy 2B.

 

That's what I would call balance.

[Gene Honda Civic]

There's at least a 27.7% chance of a score when one of Pods, Aaron, or Dye/Thomas 2B.

There's at least a 27.2% chance of a score when one of Everett/Dye, Uribe, or Iggy 2B.

I find your ideas intriguing, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

How does one arrive at these figures?

[JUGGERNAUT]

Some sorry ass f***in players on the bench vs. LHP

Timo - .154/.201/.191

Willie - .186/.234/.233

Everett - .238/.301/.354

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If you assume they'll be healthy most of the season then it's best to use their healthy yrs.

 

vs LHP

2004 Thomas 050AB .200 .420 .420 .840

2003 Thomas 149AB .315 .446 .732 1.177

 

2004 Everett 52AB .231 .293 .288 .582

2003 Everett 64AB .266 .319 .406 .725

 

Timo is on the team for one reason: he led the team in RISP in 04.

None On 171AB .205A .253O .281S .534

Runs On 122AB .303A .331O .418S .749

Scor Pos 68AB .397 A .419O .500S .919

 

As for Wille vs LHP you're 100% right. You have to go all the way back to AAA

to find some decent numbers for him.

[qwerty]

If you assume they'll be healthy most of the season then it's best to use their healthy yrs.

 

vs LHP

2004 Thomas 050AB .200 .420 .420 .840

2003 Thomas 149AB .315 .446 .732 1.177

 

2004 Everett 52AB .231 .293 .288 .582

2003 Everett 64AB .266 .319 .406 .725

 

Timo is on the team for one reason: he led the team in RISP in 04.

None On 171AB  .205A .253O .281S .534

Runs On 122AB  .303A .331O .418S .749

Scor Pos  68AB .397 A .419O    .500S    .919

 

As for Wille vs LHP you're 100% right.  You have to go all the way back to AAA

to find some decent numbers for him.

 

Well since runners are not on base as often as they are on maybe it would be nice if timo learned how to hit with anyone on, eh?

[JUGGERNAUT]

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 12:17 AM)

If you assume they'll be healthy most of the season then it's best to use their healthy yrs.

 

vs LHP

2004 Thomas 050AB .200 .420 .420 .840

2003 Thomas 149AB .315 .446 .732 1.177

 

2004 Everett 52AB .231 .293 .288 .582

2003 Everett 64AB .266 .319 .406 .725

 

Timo is on the team for one reason: he led the team in RISP in 04.

None On 171AB .205A .253O .281S .534

Runs On 122AB .303A .331O .418S .749

Scor Pos 68AB .397A .419O .500S .919

 

As for Wille vs LHP you're 100% right. You have to go all the way back to AAA

to find some decent numbers for him.

 

Well since runners are not on base as often as they are on maybe it would be nice if timo learned how to hit with anyone on, eh?

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Yes it would but I guess you make do with what you've got. I envision Timo being used in a PH RISP role or a late inning defensive replacement.

 

Take a look at his 3 yr avg:

None On 646AB .246 .289 .359 .648

Runs On 437AB .314 .338 .428 .766

ScorPos 232AB .332 .359 .466 .825

 

He's just weird. Reminds me of the milkman.

[JUGGERNAUT]

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 12:00 AM)

There's at least a 27.7% chance of a score when one of Pods, Aaron, or Dye/Thomas 2B.

There's at least a 27.2% chance of a score when one of Everett/Dye, Uribe, or Iggy 2B.

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How does one arrive at these figures?

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You're probably being sarcastic but in case you are sincere I'm just applying Koney's & AJ's batting average. Only a hit or a major error will score a run for 2B. I probably should have said in general to avoid the LH vs RH debate on this.

[Gene Honda Civic]

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 12:17 AM)

Yes it would but I guess you make do with what you've got.  I envision Timo being used in a PH RISP role or a late inning defensive replacement. 

Except Timo is a .176/.194/.221 pinch hitter the last three years and is only a defensive upgrade over my wheelchair bound grandmother.

[DBAHO]

Except Timo is a .176/.194/.221 pinch hitter the last three years and is only a defensive upgrade over my wheelchair bound grandmother.

I envision seeing your grandmother is better than Joe Borchard jokes coming up soon.

[Gene Honda Civic]

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 12:00 AM)

There's at least a 27.7% chance of a score when one of Pods, Aaron, or Dye/Thomas 2B.

There's at least a 27.2% chance of a score when one of Everett/Dye, Uribe, or Iggy 2B.

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You're probably being sarcastic but in case you are sincere I'm just applying Koney's & AJ's batting average.  Only a hit or a major error will score a run for 2B.  I probably should have said in general to avoid the LH vs RH debate on this.

you'd be better off using OPS, even though that's misguided also.... applying BA across multiple players doesn't take into account HR's (Bonds looks the same as Ichiro) or walks, or Sac flies. All of which are included in OPS.

[Mplssoxfan]

I'm hoping for this:

1. Scott Podsednik LF

2. Aaron Rowand CF

DL/3. Thomas

3/4. Paul Konerko 1B

4/5. Jermaine Dye RF

5/B. Carl Everett DH

6. Juan Uribe SS

7. Tadahito Iguchi 2B

8. A.J. Pierznynski C

9. Joe Crede 3B

 

I think 1,2,6,7 is where you always try to concentrate your speed.

If Iggy proves himself as #2 in ST, I'd swap him for Rowand & then swap Rowand & Uribe.  If Dye proves himself as a #3 in ST then I'll swap him & Konerko but I'd like to keep Thomas at #3 since he's always had his best #'s in that spot.

 

I have always been of the opinion that you'd like to have speed at the #9 spot, but I can see it this way, too. If Crede can hit better, I'll go with this Opening Day lineup:

 

1. Pods

2. Rowand

3. Dye

4. Konerko

5. Carl

6. Crede

7. Uribe

8. AJ

9. Iggy

 

My .02.

 

BTW, I've been here about 9 days and I really like it here.