JoshPR Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 QUOTE(Heather Lee @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 02:40 AM) It's clearly obvious that Buehrle and Garcia will be our top two pitchers (barring anything major that happens in spring training) and that Garland will bring up the rear at the fifth spot. But just what do you think of the positioning of Contreras and El Duque in our rotation? I think it could go either way, but due to ElDuque's previous physical setback, I'd say Contreras would have the upper-hand for now. It seems as though Contreras has turned it around since coming here. He is a different pitcher since he was instructed not to "tip" pitches. He seems very comfortable in his role. Not to knock Duque...I just don't think he'll bring as much to the table as Contreras will this season. This season, I have this premonition that Contreras will dazzle us. Welcome Back Heather. Long time no see. Guess the Teaching Carrer is going well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 I can tell you where this pro-Contreras & pro-Herm, anti-Jon stuff is coming from. Jon vs L: 262A .334O .439S .773 49WHBP Jon vs R: 277A .329O .473S .801 31WHBP Jon was hit pretty good by both last year. 217 IP Herm vs L: 285A .354O .498S .852 28WHBP Herm vs R: 242A .294O .358S .653 21WHBP Herm was pretty strong vs RH. The ALC is predominantly RH. 131 IP Contreras vs L: 251A .337O .415S .752 48WHBP Contreras vs R: 254A .348O .481S .829 44WHBP 170 IP If you ignore the WHBP & IP, ERA gives the nod to Herm & BA gives the nod to Contreras. But when you add WHBP & IP Contreras has the worst WHBP/IP ratio from both sides of the 3. It's not hard to keep the BA vs down to 254 if you are giving out free passes. I don't think most analysts are thinking that way. If you project Herm to 217 IP his WHBP is close to Jon's for both sides. Do the same for Contreras & he's over 50 on both side. :puke Still no matter how you look at it Herm's 653 OPS vs RH looks pretty impressive amongst the 3. No worse than Garland in WHBP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 Jugger, may i ask how fast you type per minute? What is it like 400 per minute or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) IMO Garland should be the #4 The fact is that he has the more consistant track record. Proven year after year he can be decent in a full year at the Cell. Contreas hasn't proven anything. IMO it doesn't matter where they start the season as long as they are in the rotation. I believe by year's end you will see Garland displace Contreras in the pecking order. Editted to add: Welcome back Heather. Good to see you. Edited February 10, 2005 by YASNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 Jugger, may i ask how fast you type per minute? What is it like 400 per minute or so? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You can tell by the typos it's pretty fast I wasn't fair to Jon-Jon. I need to look at Herm's SP #'s only. We all know it's lot tougher facing guys a 2nd or 3rd time in a night than just once Best I can get for now ... Herm SP 04 4.59ERA 104IP, .271A 13HR 38FP 74(20)K - () vs 9th in order JonG SP 04 4.89ERA 217IP, .269A 34HR 80FP 113(13)K - () vs 9th in order ERA: AL vs NL. Adv Jon. HR: 34 AL vs 26 NL. Even. Cell #1 HR park, SBC #22. BA: AL vs NL. Adv Jon. FP: AL vs NL. Adv Jon. (Free Passes : W + HBP) K: 100 AL vs 108 NL. Adv Jon. Removed K's vs 9th to negate pitcher effect. As a starter Jon has the advantage in every category vs Herm. The analysts don't know what they are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 W + HBP amongst Sox SP: MarB 59 FP, 245IP FreG 71 FP, 210IP JonG 80 FP, 217IP OrlH 41 FP, 84IP (102 FP, 209IP) JosC 92 FP, 170IP (115 FP, 212IP) It's going to be hard to limit Duque's PC if he's walking or beaning that many. That should give you a much better appreciation of Garland. So how does Duque do it? K's. K's amongst Sox SP: OrlH 84K, 84IP FreG 184K, 210IP JosC 150K, 170IP MarB 165K, 245IP JonG 113K, 217IP Combining the two : K-FP FreG 113, 210IP MarB 106, 245IP OrlH 43 (107, 210IP) JosC 48 (85, 202IP) JonG 33, 217IP That's why Garland is a #5. Freddy, Mark, & Duque are close to even. But there is a wide separation between them & Contreras & even wider between Contreras & Garland. Jon can not give out that many FP when he has so few K's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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