SI, AL Rotation Rankings

[qwerty]

Dude, what more could you possibly ask from Brad Radke?

 

You know what you're getting.  No skepticism.

 

 

No you don't. He has never had back to back years with an era in the 3's. He has in the fours though.

[babybearhater]

cleveland, come on???

[JUGGERNAUT]

Radke's a finisher:

3yr Pre All-Star 4.59ERA .284BA

3yr Pos All-Star 3.62ERA .266BA

 

How do you explain that? The best I can come up with is that he feeds off momentum of the other front-line starters in the 2nd half. There seems to be a pattern there.

[witesoxfan]

Radke's a finisher:

3yr Pre All-Star 4.59ERA  .284BA

3yr Pos All-Star 3.62ERA      .266BA

 

How do you explain that?  The best I can come up with is that he feeds off momentum of the other front-line starters in the 2nd half.  There seems to be a pattern there.

 

You mean like if you aren't up 10 games in the division at the ASB, you are f***ed?

[Gene Honda Civic]

My Rankings, Just AL Central for now... Full AL later tonight.

 

I used each pitchers career ERA+ to help illustrate the rankings...

 

Minnesota -- Santana(136), Radke(114), Silva(108), Lohse(94), AAAFodder(80) -- avg = 106.4

Chicago -- Buehrle (124), Garcia(114), Duque(116), Garland(100), Contreras(93) -- avg = 109.4

Cleveland -- Sabathia(108), Westbrook(102), Lee(92), Millwood(111), Elarton(89) -- avg = 100.4

Detroit -- Johnson (90), Maroth(90), Bonderman(85), Robertson (85), Ledezma (84) -- avg = 86.8

Kansas City -- SUCKS -- I'm not gonna waste my time -- Greinke is good though.

 

I put Minnesota ahead of us for a couple reasons, 1) Santana was ungodly last year ERA+ in the 180's 2) I don't expect us to have a full season of Duque, I count him at about half a year, with half a year of AAAfodder picking up the rest.

 

Cleveland is much closer to our rotation than the league average ERA+ would indicate... Westbrook was flat nasty last year (he pitched a hidden perfect game like Shingo)

 

Detroit is counting on a bunch of youngsters, and probably will clock in right around league average this year...

[qwerty]

Radke's a finisher:

3yr Pre All-Star 4.59ERA  .284BA

3yr Pos All-Star 3.62ERA      .266BA

 

How do you explain that?  The best I can come up with is that he feeds off momentum of the other front-line starters in the 2nd half.  There seems to be a pattern there.

 

Antranx has to love radke. His famous quote '' it's not how you start but it's how you finish'' bartolo colon, lmfao.

Edited February 11, 2005 by qwerty

[CWSGuy406]

EDIT: Eh, screw it.

 

IMHO,

 

Radke-Buehrle

Santana>Garcia

Silva-El Duque

Lohse

Mays

 

I think a pre-season #4 is fair.

 

 

A healthy El Duque is much, much >>>>> than Silva. Definitely no comparison with those two, IMHO.

[AddisonStSox]

A healthy El Duque is much, much >>>>> than Silva.  Definitely no comparison with those two, IMHO.

 

 

Where can I find one of these healthy El Duques?

 

I have yet to see one.

Edited February 11, 2005 by AddisonStSox

[CWSGuy406]

Where can I find one of these healthy El Duques?

 

I have yet to see one.

 

So?

 

I'll still take the starts El Duque makes plus the starts Diaz makes in his place over Silva.

 

That OK?

[qwerty]

So?

 

I'll still take the starts El Duque makes plus the starts Diaz makes in his place over Silva.

 

That OK?

 

I agree.

 

How do you not have a five era with these numbers?

 

1.43 whip, .310 average, .342 obp, .462 slg, and .801 ops. Those are some pretty damn s***ty numbers

[AddisonStSox]

If El Duque pitches over 200 innings, I'll set up a web cam and eat my hat.

 

Is his stuff better than Silva's? Absolutely.

 

Will his contrabution to the Sox better Silva's to the Twins? We'll see.

 

Please, no heated arguements, none of your Nostradami (plural of Nostradamus?? ) will know until season's end. This is pure speculation.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 07:12 PM)

I agree.

 

How do you not have a five era with these numbers?

 

1.43 whip, .310 average, .342 obp, .462 slg, and .801 ops. Those are some pretty damn s***ty numbers

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He's also dead last in K/9. I'd like to see how Silva would do with half of his games at USCF.

[qwerty]

If El Duque pitches over 200 innings, I'll set up a web cam and eat my hat.

 

Is his stuff better than Silva's?  Absolutely.

 

Will his contrabution to the Sox better Silva's to the Twins?  We'll see. 

 

Please, no heated arguements, none of your Nostradami (plural of Nostradamus?? ) will know until season's end.  This is pure speculation.

 

Well i do know if he pitches 150 innings or more, hell, even if he pitches 120 innings next season that means we do not have to have a swinging door with the damn rookies who will just continously get rocked. He stays healthy there is no doubt in my mind he helps the white sox more than silva will help the twins.

[JUGGERNAUT]

So none of you are thinking about Herm as the replacement starter?

Herm SP IP/ER

Winnable: 6/1, 5+/1, 6+/2, 5+/1, 5+/2, 6/3, 7/2, 6/4, 6+/2, 7/0, 5/3, 6+/2,

Horrible..: 3+/6, 5/4, 5/5, 5/4, 6/5, 5+/6

12 good starts, 6 bad starts beats any of our 04 AAAfodder guys.

 

I think that's why KW was quick to get him along with the Duque signing.

[AddisonStSox]

So none of you are thinking about Herm as the replacement starter?

Herm SP IP/ER

Winnable: 6/1, 5+/1, 6+/2, 5+/1, 5+/2, 6/3, 7/2, 6/4, 6+/2, 7/0, 5/3, 6+/2,

Horrible..: 3+/6, 5/4, 5/5, 5/4,  6/5,  5+/6

12 good starts, 6 bad starts beats any of our 04 AAAfodder guys.

 

I think that's why KW was quick to get him along with the Duque signing.

 

Oh no, I'm with you.

 

The day Hermanson signed I figured we had our fifth starter. Actually, I was pissed when Kenny signed him because I thought we were going to see a Schoney type situation.

 

I think Hermanson gets the spot start over the rookies if someone goes down.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Same method as my previous post, career ERA+'s and staff averages used just to help illustrate

 

1) Boston -- Shilling(131), Wells (110), Clement(98), Wakefield (109), Arroyo(101), Miller(116) -- avg = 110.8

Wow do I like this rotation the avg ERA doesn't match the yankees, but I'd feel comfortable running any of these guys out to the mound every 5 days. If I was a boston fan, I would have a Wakefield jersey. I don't know how that guy does it. This rotation isn't really built for the post season, but Wells, Shilling and Wakefield have been "gamers" before -- This rotation is going to be steadier than the yanks, and Boston will likely win the division this year.(wow, I can't believe I said that)

 

2) New York -- JOhnson(144), Mussina(127), Pavano(100), Wright(91), Brown(130) -- avg = 118.4

Johnson is the only sure bet for next season. Mussina and Brown had disapointing '04s, and Pavano and Wright are unproven despite their exceptional '04s

 

3) Minnesota -- Santana(136), Radke(114), Silva(108), Lohse(94), AAAFodder(80) -- avg = 106.4

Strength at the top, Silva is gonna need to come through again for them to remain a top Rotation.

 

 

4) Chicago -- Buehrle (124), Garcia(114), Duque(116), Garland(100), Contreras(93) -- avg = 109.4

Solid top to bottom. Question marks are health of Duque and Head of Conreras. If Garland shows improvement could be among the best staffs in baseball.

 

-------These next 5 are interchangable -- They all have whole and big question marks (much like us, so I guess I'm being a homer putting us 4th) -----

 

5) Oakland -- Harden (111), Zito (132), haren (86), Blanton(84), Meyer(inf.), Cruz(105) -- avg = ifinity/6

This rotation isn't as bad as it looks -- They only need one of Blanton/Haren/Meyer/Cruz to be dominant. And it's a pretty good bet that one of them will be, so long as two of them are decent(league average)

 

6) Anaheim -- Colon(116), escobar(107), washburn(112), lackey(99), Byrd(107) avg = 108.2

I didn't realize how bad this rotation was. Not that it's bad, I just thought it was better.. Washburn has been Garland for the last 2 years, and Colon was terrible in the first half last season... Byrd, Lackey, and Washburn are essentially league average pitchers, and I don't think COlon/Escobar are as good as some other AL teams 1-2 punches.

 

7) Seattle -- MOyer(107), Pinero (118), Madritch(132), Meche (99), Franklin(106) -- avg = 112.4

With the exception of Madritch, who was awesome last year, this entire rotation underachieved in '04... They should rebound, and may have the best rotation in the West if Moyer can get the magic back.

 

8) Toronto -- Halladay(122), lilly (101), Batista(103), Bush(132), Towers (91) -- avg = 109.8

Even though their average rates higher than Minnesota and Chicago, I'm putting them below.. They've got one horse(halladay) One young stud(bush), and three john garlands, that's not a recipe for sucess. Bush's ERA+ shouldn't hold too much weight as he hasn't pitched all that much.

 

9) Cleveland -- Sabathia(108), Westbrook(102), Lee(92), Millwood(111), Elarton(89) -- avg = 100.4

Westbrook is really the ace of this staff. Cliff Lee and Kevin Millwood are both question marks about what type of production they're going to get.

 

10) Texas -- Rogers(108), Drese(93), Park(101), YOung(106) AAA fodder(80) -- avg = 97.6

nothing worthy of note here... I think their pitching coach could outpitch some of these guys... I'm looking at you Chan Ho.

 

11) Baltimore -- Ponson(98), Lopez(101), Bedard (103), Chen (100), Cabrera(96) avg = 99.6

would you like a rotation that featured 5 jon garlands? neither would I.

 

12) Detroit -- Johnson (90), Maroth(90), Bonderman(85), Robertson (85), Ledezma (84) -- avg = 86.8

This should be a great rotation.... in '07, they're still a couple years away.

 

13) Kansas City -- SUCKS -- I'm not gonna waste my time -- Greinke is good though.

 

14) Devil Rays -- Suck, I'm not gonna waste my time --

[santo=dorf]

Cheat, the Twins have Joe "Cy" Mays as their 5th starter. Career ERA+ of 102, thanks in part to a fluke 2001.

[Yoda]

Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras... probably the best 1 to 3 in the AL.

 

IF "El Duque" can give us 150+ innings than he’ll give us 10+ wins... something you wouldn’t see from your regular 5th starters. He looked excellent last season with the Yankees after coming off of that injury. Had an 8-0 run with an ERA in the 3’s. This guy has the capability of being a #2 starter. I’m just praying this guy can be healthy through out the whole year.

 

John Garland has yet to give us 13+ wins (or is it 14?) in a season. This guy will have at least one good year in his career and I’m hoping it’s this year. I don’t care if he has a fluke year, just give us something that will help this team out.

[witesoxfan]

Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras... probably the best 1 to 3 in the AL.

 

IF "El Duque" can give us 150+ innings than he’ll give us 10+ wins... something you wouldn’t see from your regular 5th starters.  He looked excellent last season with the Yankees after coming off of that injury. Had an 8-0 run with an ERA in the 3’s. This guy has the capability of being a #2 starter. I’m just praying this guy can be healthy through out the whole year. 

 

John Garland has yet to give us 13+ wins (or is it 14?) in a season.  This guy will have at least one good year in his career and I’m hoping it’s this year.  I don’t care if he has a fluke year, just give us something that will help this team out.

 

Contreras is god-awfully inconsistent and could very well be our #5 starter, and his 5.30 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, and his K/BB of just over 1.5 last year with us agrees with me. He has the stuff of an ace, but the head of a 12-year old. If he can get his s*** straight and become a more consistent pitcher, he is a #2.

 

I would also take RJ-Pavano-Moose-Wright over Buehrle-Garcia-Duque-Contreras, and I would take Schilling-Wells-Clement-Wake over ours too, and if Miller comes back healthy, that is quite possibly the steal of the offseason. I'd probably take Santana-Radke-Silva-Lohse over ours too, and that's just because Santana is a god.

 

 

 

The ranking of rotations in the AL, or anywhere, really depends on if you are looking at depth(how good it will be in the regular season) or how top heavy it is(how good it will be in the postseason). In both cases, New York and Boston are on top...Boston with the depth at #1 with NYY at #2(the Sox at #3), and New York at #1 as far as the top of the rotation is concerned, with Boston at #2, Minny at #3, and I might even take Oakland and Toronto above us when it comes to top heavy. I know Buehrle is very solid and he is a gamer, but the fact remains, he is a soft-tossing LH pitcher with a career WHIP of 1.24, and his BAA was .271 last year. New York and Boston feast off of those types of pitchers in the playoffs.

 

If we are to get to the postseason this year...we have to hope that Freddy and Duque can be at the top of their game.

[santo=dorf]

OH Come on! Oakland or Toronto over us? :headshake

 

Buehrle+Garcia >Halladay+Batista

Edited February 11, 2005 by santo=dorf

[witesoxfan]

OH Come on!  Oakland or Toronto over us?  :headshake

 

Buehrle+Garcia >Halladay+Batista

 

Might

 

Toronto, if I looked into it more, I probably would not.

 

But I might argue with Oakland.

 

Is Buehrle-Garcia-Duque > Zito-Harden-Blanton/Meyer/Cruz?

[Rowand44]

Might

 

Toronto, if I looked into it more, I probably would not.

 

But I might argue with Oakland. 

 

Is Buehrle-Garcia-Duque > Zito-Harden-Blanton/Meyer/Cruz?

Yes, very much so. Isn't cruz going to be in the bullpen?? Also Blanton and Meyer haven't proven anything in the majors you can't just assume they're going to be good.

[ChWRoCk2]

i think the cardinals rotation is looking pretty good and the dodgers

[qwerty]

Yes, very much so.  Isn't cruz going to be in the bullpen??  Also Blanton and Meyer haven't proven anything in the majors you can't just assume they're going to be good.

 

I do know that they are in a much better position to be good for a long time. Haren, blanton, meyer, and even cruz have a damn good chance of being studs or number two starters. All of them tore up the minors except cruz but he is pretty damn nasty. Their pen is also loaded with young live arms.

[Rowand44]

I do know that they are in a much better position to be good for a long time. Haren, blanton, meyer, and even cruz have a damn good chance of being studs or number two starters. All of them tore up the minors except cruz but he is pretty damn nasty. Their pen is also loaded with young live arms.

Whatever, we'll see. I don't feel like arguing about the A's.