JUGGERNAUT Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Jugger, I'm not trying to downplay Beane, I just think people automatically assume every move he makes is great. I think he gets a little too much hype, IMHO. The potential of their staff is limitless, but it's just that potential. They have ??? in every spot. Will Zito return to his old form? If not, can Harden step into the #1? Can 3-5 perform for a whole year in the bigs? I would take the Sox staff over the A's, this year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok let's agree on this much. This year will be his biggest challenge yet. But he's met that challenge by strengthening the pen. What impresses me about Beane is that he's able to always find guys (even if they just stick around for a year or two) that produce winning records & era's < 5 in his rotation. Let's not forget that his teams have not had an easy go at all in the past 5 yrs. Remember the losing streaks & the early deficits they faced? But when they get in the groove they are damn near unbeatable. All of Beane's A's years seem to be weak to start but strong to finish. Not unlike the Twins. We led the division for 57 days before Thomas went down & they zoomed past us. If anything maybe the new makeover will lead us to be stronger finishers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 07:22 AM) How about his numbers with the Sox? (especially on the Road and during the day) Like I said, I want more consistency from him. Early in his career, 2000 & 2001, he was a real good pitcher. Then he had a stretch of mediocre years, and last year he was solid, but not ace-like. Maybe it's just me, but the label 'ace' isn't something that I throw around to a lot of pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 01:05 AM) Just wanna say, Philly is a hitters park and the Jake is a pitchers park in comparison. No one is gonna tell me any different cause the ball jumps out of Philly's new ballpark. Baseballreference's park factor number agrees. Jacobs Field park factor was 98B-98P last year, and Citizens Bank Park was a 101B-101P. 100 is an average park. This says that Citizens Bank was slightly a hitters park, and the Jake was a slight pitcher's park. I am not sure if that is taking into consideration the pitchers spot in the order, but I do not believe it does...and if you consider that too, you realize that Philly is an even better hitter's park too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Philly is a launching pad, but what about the AL to NL conversion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) Ok let's agree on this much. This year will be his biggest challenge yet. But he's met that challenge by strengthening the pen. What impresses me about Beane is that he's able to always find guys (even if they just stick around for a year or two) that produce winning records & era's Let's not forget that his teams have not had an easy go at all in the past 5 yrs. Remember the losing streaks & the early deficits they faced? But when they get in the groove they are damn near unbeatable. All of Beane's A's years seem to be weak to start but strong to finish. Not unlike the Twins. We led the division for 57 days before Thomas went down & they zoomed past us. If anything maybe the new makeover will lead us to be stronger finishers. I agree with most of what you say. He does an incredible job filling voids and winning consistantly(What more can you ask for). He didn't have much choice in trading Mulder and Hudson. His payroll constraints force him to get value for players before they inevitably leave. If he continues to win without the inherited big three, I will give him his due credit. I'm just interested to say how this plays out. With that said, I just think ranking their staff top five right now is a stretch. I may certainly end up being wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 It's not as big a difference as you would think. The opposition was able to hit HR's at the Jake last yr. CLE Home: 70HR, Opp 94HR; Away: 114HR, Opp 107 PHI Home: 113HR, Opp 115HR; Away: 102HR, Opp 99 He's going to have just as a hard a time on the road. Milwood 04 Home 4.95ERA 63.2IP 22W 63K .275 Away 4.77ERA 77.1IP 29W 62K .281 *projected out to 100IP each & his K-BB = H 65, A 42 In 2000 he had close to H 56, A 63 In 2003 he had close to H 80, A 32 I don't see the optimism. He'll have more W & less K's in the AL for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 09:37 PM) Contreras is god-awfully inconsistent and could very well be our #5 starter, and his 5.30 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, and his K/BB of just over 1.5 last year with us agrees with me. Dammit! I meant to say Hernandez! *feels stupid as hell* :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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