Chisoxmatt Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 He is a great pitcher with nasty stuff. He will be just as good if not better this year. Ozzie just needs to make sure he doesnt pitch him 1 pitch more than 1 inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 You'll like this: ANA 0H ATL 0H BAL 1H/9AB Tejada 1H, Palmeiro 1W BOS 3H/9AB Mueller 1H, Varitek 1H, Millar 1H, Ramirez 1W, Ortiz 1W CUB 0H/8AB Barrett 1W CIN 0H CLE 5H/24AB Gerut 1, Belliard 1, 1W, Crisp 2, Broussard 1W, Sizemore 1 DET 2H/17AB Pena 1, Higginson 1, White 1W, Young 1W, Martinez 1W FLA 0H KAN 1H/6AB DeJesus 1 LOS 0H MIN 7H/22AB Ford 1, LeCroy 1, Rivas 1, Stewart 1, Jones 1, Cuddyear 2W, Mauer 2, Morneau 1W NYY 3H/8 Giambi, Matsui, Crosby, Sheffield 1W OAK 1H/9 Kielty 1, 1W SEA 4H/13 Ibanez 1, Winn 1, Bloomquist 1, Olivo 1, Boone 1W TAM 0H/9AB TEX 2H/8AB Soriano, Young TOR 1H/5AB Catalnatto WAS 0H/4AB CLE & MIN will probably give him more trouble in 05. Expect a slight decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 The pitch that impresses me is the rising fastball. The batter commits when the ball looks hittable and ends up swinging at a ball that crosses at the shoulders. He also hits 90 on the gun, which seems FAST when complemented by the Frisbee. Shingo did a very nice job of deceiving hitters. I saw more than one occasion when a hitter appeared to be sitting on the Frisbee and Shingo threw 3 risers past him. I think we'll see some decline, just because of how good he was last year, but I don't think he'll be a concern at all. He'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 That frisbee is great. Its funny too. A 60 MPH strikeout pitch. Anyway, I dont expect a decline he ended up with a 2.31 ERA but he was under 2 for alot of the season. I expect him to be more consistent and have an ERA in the 2.20's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 The Frisbee is closer to 50 than 60, doesnt even show up on the Cell's Radar Gun. I've seen his stuff waver between 51 and 93 miles an hour in the same at bat. That kind of speed differential is tough for any hitter when the delivery is identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hmmm... Interesting i thought i remembered the frisbee being 59. I also have never seen him throw 93 usually his fastball is 89-90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Feb 12, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) Hmmm... Interesting i thought i remembered the frisbee being 59. I also have never seen him throw 93 usually his fastball is 89-90 I've never seen his fastball go over 85. Then again, I only went to two games last season and don't get to see many others on TV where I live. I hope that his 36-year-old arm can keep that upper-80's velocity for another season. That's a devastating compliment to a 60 MPH changeup. Edited February 12, 2005 by TheBigHurt35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Feb 12, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) I've never seen his fastball go over 85. Then again, I only went to two games last season and don't get to see many others on TV where I live. I hope that his 36-year-old arm can keep that upper-80's velocity for another season. That's a devastating compliment to a 60 MPH changeup. Welcome to the board! Agreed. I only say his fastball in the 80s too, but that 80s looks a lot faster than it is after seeing a frisbee. That's a nice jump in velocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 I have seen shingo hit 90-91 nearly everytime he pitched last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 12, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) I have seen shingo hit 90-91 nearly everytime he pitched last year. Ditto. I think Shingo is going to be fine, as people have said already that speed differential is just to hard for the hitters to get a read on. I think Shingo keeps his era under 3 for sure, jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 I just replayed the 9th inning from the Cleveland game where he gave up the 3 run homer to Lawton and blew the game on MLBTV. The Indians used 6 consecutive LH hitters against him. Oz needs to use the rest of the bullpen to get the other manager to burn out his bench before the 9th or else use Marte to force a PH righty in those situations. Then the Gong Show. Look at Shingo's splits: Split ERA G IP H R ER HR BB SO vs Left-handed Batter 4.45 52 28.1 23 15 14 5 11 19 vs Right-handed Batter 0.53 57 34 17 2 2 1 10 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Feb 12, 2005 -> 10:38 AM) Welcome to the board! Thanks. Man, this season can't start soon enough. I haven't seen a Sox team this complete since the early-mid '90s squads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 (edited) Wow. We are going to see a lot of LH pinch hitters in the 9th this season. Edited February 13, 2005 by Chisoxmatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Feb 12, 2005 -> 10:40 PM) Wow. We are going to see a lot of LH pinch hitters in the 9th this season. I'm sure that Shingo, Coop and Ozzie have noticed that and talked about it. I bet that we'll see more rising inside fastballs to lefties, in fact I'd guess that Shingo will keep most of his pitches up and in to lefties, since that's the pitch lefties generally have the most trouble hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 IIRC Spring training was a disaster, then when he finally took over for Billy, he was lights out for a couple months before fading a bit at the end. As teams develop a better priofile on him, he will not be sneaking up on hitters like he did last year. I do not see him repeating last year's success. He is also going to be asked to closer out of the gate this year. The MLB season is longer than Japan's season. Let's hope he's up to a full MLB season of closing. Lots of question marks. He has the talent to work through it all, so we'll just have to hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 01:43 AM) IIRC Spring training was a disaster, then when he finally took over for Billy, he was lights out for a couple months before fading a bit at the end. As teams develop a better priofile on him, he will not be sneaking up on hitters like he did last year. I do not see him repeating last year's success. He is also going to be asked to closer out of the gate this year. The MLB season is longer than Japan's season. Let's hope he's up to a full MLB season of closing. Lots of question marks. He has the talent to work through it all, so we'll just have to hope. Pretty much if Shingo didn't have a guaranteed contract, he never would have made the team out of spring training. And his first outing against the Yankees in New York wasn't much better. But he was fantastic after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 You're right about Shingo vs LH. Not all but some. vs. L 107AB 23H 5D 0 5HR 15RBI 12WHBP 19K .215A .294O .402S .696OPS vs. R 113AB 17H 1D 0 1HR 3RBI 11WHBP 31K .150A .226O .186S .412OPS When LH do hit him they have solid hits. 5D+5H in 23H vs 1D+1H in 17H. Don't expect improvement there. MIN LH bats: Mauer, Morneau, Jones, Kubel(PH), & Ryan(PH). CLE LH bats: Broussard, Cora(PH), Gerut(PH), Hafner, Sizemore(PH) MIN is very balanced betw RH & LH's. What strengths don't they have? This is where Vizc & Hermanson come into play & where Shingo might not always start the 9th. Ex. Politte vs Stewart(RH), Jones(LH), Hunter(RH). You can't user Politte for just 1AB so he's got to face Jones. Vizc vs Morneau(LH), Hermanson vs Ford(RH), Cuddyer(RH). Marte vs Mauer(LH), Shingo vs Bartlett(RH), & Rivas(RH) I hope Oz will see it the same way. Use up Vizc before Marte against the strong LH bat or to simply force that bat out of the lineup. If a LH leads off in the 9th use Marte. Keep Marte in there for each additional LH. The opposition might choose to take their chances with LH vs Marte instead of RH vs Shingo. The key guy in the bullpen is the guy who has to face both: Politte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 after shingo did poor again i figured to bring this thread back for people to see if they were correct or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ May 10, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) after shingo did poor again i figured to bring this thread back for people to see if they were correct or not That's weird, with the season ending on May 10th, I never heard anything about playoff tickets going on sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 The only 2 guys who don't make me nervous in the pen right now are Hermy and Politte. Cotts? lead off walk boy Marte? Walk boy part 2, is one HR away from Koch-land. Viz? Sorry, iffy on him too. Shingo? quickly turning into LaChoy, can/will he turn it around? Not cause for major alarm yet, but I see the majority of our ballgames being close in the later innings, so the pen is a concern. I say let Politte try a few 8th or even 9th innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro1983hat Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ May 11, 2005 -> 08:35 AM) The only 2 guys who don't make me nervous in the pen right now are Hermy and Politte. Cotts? lead off walk boy Marte? Walk boy part 2, is one HR away from Koch-land. Viz? Sorry, iffy on him too. Shingo? quickly turning into LaChoy, can/will he turn it around? Not cause for major alarm yet, but I see the majority of our ballgames being close in the later innings, so the pen is a concern. I say let Politte try a few 8th or even 9th innings. I completely agree. I think it's time to give Hermy the job for a month and let's see how he does. I have Shingo Love ... I just don't have Shingo Trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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