Cerbaho-WG Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 http://crux.baker.edu/cdavis09/roses.html Don't think too hard, and do not post the solution. Let people get it on their own. Took me about 15-20 rolls to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 3rd roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I'm slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Wow....That took me way too long. I finally figured it out though; it was driving me crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Feb 19, 2005 -> 02:32 AM) Wow....That took me way too long. I finally figured it out though; it was driving me crazy. Me too... What really messed me up was that I guessed right the first two rolls without even thinking about it. I was just putting in a number. Then I couldn't figure out why I was right the first two times, but wrong the next 10 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I can't see no damn rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 19, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) I can't see no damn rose. You'll see it. All you have to do is to lick a coffee table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Shut up, that's why! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Someone please tell me how to solve this blasted thing. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! I hate games that lack real instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 3rd roll for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I must have rolled about 100 times by now and get it right about half the time all guess no clue what the equation is. Both 6 2 2 6 2 = 0 and 4 2 2 6 2 = 0. There has to be some clue in that but I am damned if I can see it (except that the first numeral is an extra, which I doubt). Also 1 4 2 1 6 and 2 4 4 2 1 and 1 2 1 6 2 = 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Feb 19, 2005 -> 12:01 PM) I must have rolled about 100 times by now and get it right about half the time all guess no clue what the equation is. Both 6 2 2 6 2 = 0 and 4 2 2 6 2 = 0. There has to be some clue in that but I am damned if I can see it (except that the first numeral is an extra, which I doubt). Also 1 4 2 1 6 and 2 4 4 2 1 and 1 2 1 6 2 = 0. I find simple delight in the engineer having trouble with this.. In all honesty, you're just thinking way too hard. Walk away. Come back later. After you've killed a few brain cells and you'll be able to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 19, 2005 -> 12:08 PM) I find simple delight in the engineer having trouble with this.. In all honesty, you're just thinking way too hard. Walk away. Come back later. After you've killed a few brain cells and you'll be able to get it. I've noticed one more thing. Only four answers ever come up (out of all the times I've clicked anyway). It apparently isn't an equation which takes all the fun out of it for me. Oh, well. I will plug away and see where I get. Thanks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Don't think too hard. The answer is stupid and very disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 QUOTE(CrimsonWeltall @ Feb 19, 2005 -> 12:16 PM) Don't think too hard. The answer is stupid and very disappointing. Just got it and I agree 100%. Oh well. Time to go refill my coffee and finish my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 The comments section is hilarious. I do not see how this puzzle has anything to do with smarts. According to your instructions it says the smarter you are the longer it will take. I am a little offended by that. I figured it out on the second try in about 2 minutes. I am in no way dumb. I would like to think of myself as smart. I am just curious in how you think being smart makes this puzzle hard to solve. I found the puzzle @ http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=34355, it is a forum. All I did was read everyone's response that tried the puzzle (no one gave the answer). After reading everything I tried it. The one piece of advice that I used to solve was to think out side the box. Anyway I would appreciate some feedback. I am not trying to berate you in anyway. I just don't think that smarts has anything to do with this. Thanks Scott Cupertino, CA This guy has waaay too much time on his hands: so many posts and yet still no discussion of the more intersting part of the whole thing... the seemingly unique assertion that a longer solve time equals higher intelligence (what other problems truly point this out?). i wish people would elaborate more on this rather than simply complaining that either they can't do it, or they did it fast but that doesn't make them dumb... this problem is unique in a society that assumes faster is better... so it would be neat for an actual discussion on the philosophy of it since that is a lot of the alure of it... i.e. what is intelligence etc..? for me it points out a profound insinuation against "learning" or "intelligence"... first off, to appease the people who brag of mensa IQ crap, i believe there is in fact a correlation between how long it takes you to solve and your intelligence... however, there are at least two distinct implementations of this relationship (i.e. "what is the question?") and they directly oppose each other thus baffling the inteligence/time correlation. it is a linear relationship time vs. intelligence... however it is BOTH ways at once... a dialectic at the very least if not more things happening... but at the very least you have two competing equations which results in some of the human intrigue... the way i see it... when one goes to solve this, based on current beliefs of how the human brain thinks is... the brain being a neural net that functions on a macroscopic level by association will first, as with all problems... attempt to associate this question with previous question/answer pairs... somewhat quantum mechanic/probability wise we must consider all possibilites at once and then collapse down to one (at a time)... we will attempt to remember what combinations yielded what (pure memory/progession of time) by considering recently experienced results (i.e. what the "answer" was for recent rolls) and/or simaltaneously attempt to connect it with previous logic patterns i.e. number sequences, basic equations (add this, subtract this). we've done such problems before using "math" so we have to try to match those patterns on this one... the result is everyone reads this question with a set number of feasible possibilites for the algorithm resulting in the correct answer... the rational being must then cycle through these posibilites in seemingly random order... thus, the more potentialities you store (more "intellectual experience"), the more possibilities you must consider. i.e. to solve the problem your brain basically chugs through each known possibility until randomly drawing the correct one. thus, those of equal intelligence can arrive at the answer at different (random) times... despite having identical "intelligence." it's simply, the probablity of picking the correct answer after a certain elapsed time. nevertheless though, the answer is of such a simple nature that certainly nearly all people doing htis problem will include the correct answer in one of the possibilities in their brain. this means anyone who attempts this problem should be able to solve it given enough time. this is why this problem is a sort of "probability" problem... the probability is that of you picking the right answer from your brains set of patterns, all the while having the answer within you (because after all the answer is easy enough ANYONE can get it)... thus the more possibilites (the "smarter" you are) the longer it will take you to pick the right one out of all possibilites... or basically, you're overanalyzing... trying to compare too many patterns... of course, since the brain functions by weighting the values of each neuron that fires more correctly than it's neighbors... the brain learns by changing relative weights... thus a truly "smart" brain has already assigned all the proper weights to each possibility. thus a smarter person knows the more probable answer is one of the easier ones and thus starts there first... resulting in finding the answer faster. simplicity is beautiful. thus a truly genius person finds it almost immediately... but simaltaneously a "dumb" person finds it in the same time because he/she has so few possibilities to consider that the correct one (always being included in the set) is found quickly. thus, inteligence and time to solve are directly correlated, however in both directions simaltaneously... this phenomenon adds to the alure of the problem. smart and dumb people can find the same answer in the same time. sort of a horseshoe thing... on both ends, the genius and the "dumb" person find it easy... but thereafter each pairing of either slightly smarter or slightly dumber equal each other. this perfect symmetry means no real conclusion as to the correct correlation can be found. yer either just as smart, or just as dumb for any answer. there are of course other relationships too, but i have a suspicion they too roughly add up to be symmetric. anyway such thoughts have profound dialectic extrapolations to our reality and that is the true beauty of the problem. the smart/dumb duality. kind of like the same thing being in two places at once. uniquely too, while perhaps appearing a "math"problem... this one doesn't really favor the more scientific/engineer intelligence vs. the "artsy fartsy" intelligence... inteligence based on pattern matching applies to either intellectual bent... yet another symmetry... and of course, symmetry problems have the most interesting results... Mike BTW, I'll never get the solution due to my geniusness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I finally got it but it took way too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 or maybe I'm just too smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 this is driving me nuts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I guess I feel better that I'm not the only one that still has no idea. I'm in engineering and I design stuff in Flash and I still have no clue. Maybe I'm not that creative afterall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 will someone please post the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 (edited) i guessed the number right one time so far god damnit whats the answer Edited February 19, 2005 by Tmar28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted February 19, 2005 Author Share Posted February 19, 2005 I'm not posting the answer. Just take some time, and here are some hints: 1) Read the title and imagine a flower 2) The answer is always even Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I did a little research, and found the answer...I cheated, so sue me :finger I will say that I was on the right track. And the name is important. The game has also been called Polar Bears around the Ice Hole. Just another hint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Damn that was easy got it on my second roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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