FlaSoxxJim Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 02:37 AM) Whoa. I can see both sides of this issue and agree with certain points made from either perspective. I'm not going to get into the back and forth discussion other than to ask .... If someone has an avatar or signature that is offensive to another, regarldless of why it is offensive, why not just eliminate the offensive item? If a poster finds near nudity offensive, that person can choose not to open that thread. No problem. However, an offensive avatar will be found thoughout Soxtalk. It really all comes down to common courtesy. That's not a difficult concept to grasp, but one that seems to be forgotten all too often in this day and age. Hey paleface, Me no like-em Black Hawks avatar. Me think-em you bad, bad paleface... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 03:01 AM) I like the sigs and avs. I shouldn't have to make an all or nothing choice because of one inconsiderate person. YASNY wins for best answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(moochpuppy @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 11:37 PM) Glad to see nothing has changed since I've been gone. Speaking of which mooch, long time no post, good to see you back round the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 06:47 AM) Hey paleface, Me no like-em Black Hawks avatar. Me think-em you bad, bad paleface... If that wasn't in green, the Hawks av would be gone as long as nobody else posted the Hawks logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 12:42 AM) I have never seen someone get so whiny about politics on a f***ing baseball message board. :headshake Oh.. there's a couple banned posters that PA couldn't hold a candle to in the b****ing and whining department. One, IIRC, is directly responsible for the "no gay talk" rule... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) Oh.. there's a couple banned posters that PA couldn't hold a candle to in the b****ing and whining department. One, IIRC, is directly responsible for the "no gay talk" rule... lol, see I know I'm right if Steff gets anywhere close to my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:17 AM) lol, see I know I'm right if Steff gets anywhere close to my opinion Even a broken clock is right twice a day PA.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Full disclosure, I've been recognized for my work with youth through both the Catholic and Methodist Churches. I consider myself Catholic. Yes, a tiny percentage of Priests have been committed terrible acts against youth boys and girls. They have violated a trust and those acts ripple far beyond just the people involved. Further, the Church acted in a manner that was inconsistent with Church teachings and more in the interest of the institution that its members. The same can be said for Doctors, Teachers, Nurses, Camp Counselors, Scoutmasters, Police, and other people who were entrusted with children and took advantage of them. The Catholic Church has been the ones in the headlines and takes the brunt of the publics' outrage. To be more outraged when this was a person who by their position in life should be more trustworthy is using faulty logic. To be more outraged that this was a religious leader, means one would be less outraged if this was a plumber or engineer or short order cook at McDonalds. We are all humans with human strengths and weaknesses. We should be equally outraged when an adult takes advantage of a child. I saw the cartoon of Jesus and it pained me to see my Savior the brunt of this joke. Was I offended? Yes. I also know that my God is a strong God and this will not change that. I saw the dollar sign on a medal around this caricature's neck and it reminded me that not all religious leaders are in it for the right reasons. Some see it as easy money and prey on people who trust them. All people of faith should be alert for those unscrupulous individuals who seek to defraud believers because the bad person thinks we are easy marks. We should bring the same skepticism that we bring to car salesmen, attorneys, Doctors, and politicians with us to Church. Of course this is all interwoven and interrelated. Con men, pedophiles, and crooks of all shapes and sizes, prey on trusting people. They look for victims. They find them where they find them. Overall you are safer in Church than a bar, ballpark, or walking down Milwaukee Avenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 last week the "no gay talk" rule stopped me from making a post. I mean I was just gonna make a joke, but after I thought about it I didn't do it. I actually had it written out and then canceled it... then wrote it again then canceled it...I was torn. I hated that feeling of not being able to post what I want...especially since I know that if it was a joke about Italians, Irish, Mexicans, Religion or whatever, I wouldn't have had a second thought about posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:25 AM) Even a broken clock is right twice a day PA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA.... I really did laugh out loud on that one. I don't care if Hall of Fame has a jesus Avatar. It offends me, but I'm not going to make a deal about it, likewise about the naked women, etc. I just don't understand the difference between a personal attack singling out one person and a sweeping attack a whole group of people. If I said I didn't like Sean Connery because he's a Scottish and he should die, that would be equally offensive if I said all Scotsmen should die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:40 AM) last week the "no gay talk" rule stopped me from making a post. I mean I was just gonna make a joke, but after I thought about it I didn't do it. I actually had it written out and then canceled it... then wrote it again then canceled it...I was torn. I hated that feeling of not being able to post what I want...especially since I know that if it was a joke about Italians, Irish, Mexicans, Religion or whatever, I wouldn't have had a second thought about posting it. I think we ... society as a whole ... is all together just to touchy about this stuff. In fact, I've been guilty of it too. I live in, and my family is from, Kentucky. Then I'd see people would get all bent out of shape if someone joked about gays, blacks or whatever, yet it was "ok" to degrade "hillbillies" with insinuations of ignorance, incest, backwardness ... and why? Because the majority of the posters at Soxtalk are "Damn Yankees" so to speak. That's one reason why I can relate to PA being upset. It's more of an issue of how "popular" a political correctness situation is as opposed to politcal correctness in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Since we have moved towards what is and isn't allowed. Let me throw this log on the fire. In the discussion as to what is and isn't allowed, consideration is given to our current members *and* visitors who may drop by, read a few posts, and are deciding to stay and become regular contributors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 glad to see this is taking off... gotta run to work. be back later. keep up the good thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:53 AM) Since we have moved towards what is and isn't allowed. Let me throw this log on the fire. In the discussion as to what is and isn't allowed, consideration is given to our current members *and* visitors who may drop by, read a few posts, and are deciding to stay and become regular contributors. Call me dense, but what are you getting at here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:53 AM) Since we have moved towards what is and isn't allowed. Let me throw this log on the fire. In the discussion as to what is and isn't allowed, consideration is given to our current members *and* visitors who may drop by, read a few posts, and are deciding to stay and become regular contributors. Where/when did it move there...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:55 AM) Call me dense, but what are you getting at here? I read several posts regarding sexual abuse of children by Priests and believed, by the title, this was a Geo-Political Thread. Then I read a few more posts wondering why certain things like almost naked women and religous cartoons are allowed while calling someone gay instead of stupid is not allowed (the most common issue that comes up regarding gays). Which discussion are we having? And my comment regarding visitors was ahead of the "if no one here complains about something, why is it banned" comment that always seems to get tossed out here. The rules are made with both members and visitors in mind. The powers to be would like to see this community continue to grow. For that to happen, Sox fans of all stripes should be made to feel welcome. To be a closer community, we need to discuss more than just baseball or more than just sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) To be a closer community, we need to discuss more than just baseball or more than just sports. Considering how popular this forum is, I'd say it's obvious that we do just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Seems to me that this discussion is about why some things that could be considered offensive are allowed and other things that are considered offensive are quickly and vehemently shot down. It seems levels of political correctness is directly purportional to the perspective of the membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:08 AM) Speaking of which mooch, long time no post, good to see you back round the place. Thanks DBAH0, looks like we're in the same Yahoo league too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:48 AM) I live in, and my family is from, Kentucky. Then I'd see people would get all bent out of shape if someone joked about gays, blacks or whatever, yet it was "ok" to degrade "hillbillies" with insinuations of ignorance, incest, backwardness ... I love Kentucky! You people make great moonshine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(moochpuppy @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 09:42 AM) I love Kentucky! You people make great moonshine. LMAO. ..... And don't you forget it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Discussion is good. banning bad. I agree. If someone has an avatar or signature that is offensive to another, regarldless of why it is offensive, why not just eliminate the offensive item? Why force people to change avatars because some people are oversensitive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(CrimsonWeltall @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) I agree. Why force people to change avatars because some people are oversensitive? The same arguement can be made for gay and ethnic jokes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 03:01 AM) I like the sigs and avs. I shouldn't have to make an all or nothing choice because of one inconsiderate person. I turned my sigs off quite some time ago due to the nature of them. I should turn the avs off as there seems to be a growing number of ones I find questionable, but there are too many I like to turn them off for the few. But I note that it is me that finds them offensive and questionable, why should I make that choice for someone else (ie ask them to remove it rather than ignore it or shut off avatars)? That's just my opinion though so take it for what it is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(CrimsonWeltall @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) I agree. Why force people to change avatars because some people are oversensitive? Everyone makes concessions in life.. I guess it's just a matter of picking the battles to fight in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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