Guest JimH Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Steff, what's your take on Harris, what do you think management will do? I'll be in Tucson for several days in about two weeks and hope to do some snooping around about all things White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) Steff, what's your take on Harris, what do you think management will do? I'll be in Tucson for several days in about two weeks and hope to do some snooping around about all things White Sox. You don't pay someone who you've never seen play if your satisfied with what you've got.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 You don't pay someone who you've never seen play if your satisfied with what you've got.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That encapsulates it pretty well, I agree. I think it's just a matter of time, and finding the right deal. Just a guess on my part but I think they've told Harris to do his best to have a great spring because opportunities could open up for him with some other teams and who knows, if Iguchi gets hurt or something the whole scenario could change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 10:54 AM) That encapsulates it pretty well, I agree. I think it's just a matter of time, and finding the right deal. Just a guess on my part but I think they've told Harris to do his best to have a great spring because opportunities could open up for him with some other teams and who knows, if Iguchi gets hurt or something the whole scenario could change. Willie all but came out and told Jim his days were numbered here and he knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Willie all but came out and told Jim his days were numbered here and he knew it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not surprising. Guillen has been remarkably politically correct IMO, I mean, what's the guy supposed to say ... "Kenny is trying to trade Willie, but for now he's here" ?? I thought Harris' statement this morning were telling and actually I thought he handled it well ... he wants to be here but if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Remember, Paulie is an orignal member of "Kenny's Boys." I'm not going to say Paulie is the face of the organization with guys like Frank and Mark around, but he's pretty damn close. Kenny stuck with Paulie through the slump and it paid off. I think both he and Reinsdorf would love Paulie back, even with Gload's inexpensive production. Ink him to the multi-year contract; Paulie's a fan favorite and worth the money in my esimation. IMHO, if he makes it to free agency, the Sox won't be getting him back...try to get it done during 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I'd keep Willie Harris on, he's cheap and has good defense and speed...nothing wrong with that. QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 11:04 AM) Not surprising. Guillen has been remarkably politically correct IMO, I mean, what's the guy supposed to say ... "Kenny is trying to trade Willie, but for now he's here" ?? I thought Harris' statement this morning were telling and actually I thought he handled it well ... he wants to be here but if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 why would yous rather have frank than paulie? thats crazy. frank is in the downside of his career,constantly getting injured. frank is not worth 10 mil a yr. i rather have paulie for 3 more yrs. ozzie and kw really like Pk im sure they rather have him than frank. the sox would love to get rid of frank and his baggage. PK isnt going no where. what would we do if he left? have ross play their? all the quality 1st basemen are either not available until a few yrs, or too expensive. id be mad if we didnt keep him. id say 3 yrs 30 mil or so, maybe 9 mil a yr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 12:06 PM) why would yous rather have frank than paulie? thats crazy. frank is in the downside of his career,constantly getting injured. frank is not worth 10 mil a yr. i rather have paulie for 3 more yrs. ozzie and kw really like Pk im sure they rather have him than frank. the sox would love to get rid of frank and his baggage. PK isnt going no where. what would we do if he left? have ross play their? all the quality 1st basemen are either not available until a few yrs, or too expensive. id be mad if we didnt keep him. id say 3 yrs 30 mil or so, maybe 9 mil a yr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 why would yous rather have frank than paulie? thats crazy. frank is in the downside of his career,constantly getting injured. frank is not worth 10 mil a yr. i rather have paulie for 3 more yrs. ozzie and kw really like Pk im sure they rather have him than frank. the sox would love to get rid of frank and his baggage. PK isnt going no where. what would we do if he left? have ross play their? all the quality 1st basemen are either not available until a few yrs, or too expensive. id be mad if we didnt keep him. id say 3 yrs 30 mil or so, maybe 9 mil a yr <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dudet, I agree with you but everyone here wants to keep Frank around, and Pauly.. IMO I wanted to trade Pauly and have them made a run at Delgado.. but that is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 12:12 PM) Dudet, I agree with you but everyone here wants to keep Frank around, and Pauly.. IMO I wanted to trade Pauly and have them made a run at Delgado.. but that is just me. It doesn't matter what anyone here wants. Jerry wants Frank here. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 12:12 PM) Dudet, I agree with you but everyone here wants to keep Frank around, and Pauly.. IMO I wanted to trade Pauly and have them made a run at Delgado.. but that is just me. yea, i want frank to stay and hit #500 with the sox, but he just isnt worth 10 mil a yr and if its between PK(28) and frank (34-36?) i rather have PK, who is the face of this team now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Call me crazy, but I want both. Currently, about all we can compete for is the Upper Mid-West Series. It would be nice of we could join the likes of Boston and New York as perennial contenders, but that seems unlikely. I don't believe the path to a winning chance at something is 25 homogenous baseball players, all worth $3,000,000. I don't think it is good business and I certainly know it isn't going to win us an AL Pennant. We cannot afford the really high tiered players like A-Rod or Beltran. We do need two or three top tier guys to have a reasonable chance. Guys like Kong, Mark, and 6 months ago, I would have said Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 12:20 PM) yea, i want frank to stay and hit #500 with the sox, but he just isnt worth 10 mil a yr and if its between PK(28) and frank (34-36?) i rather have PK, who is the face of this team now Paul doesn't have a chance at the HOF and his face is quickly forgotten when Frank steps to the plate. Aaron is more popular than Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) Paul doesn't have a chance at the HOF and his face is quickly forgotten when Frank steps to the plate. Aaron is more popular than Paul. As in Aaron Rowand? Are you sure 'bout that? Also, at this point in time I am more concerned with the team winning a game in the playoffs as opposed to one of the guys' chances of getting into the hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I would say at this point Paul Konerko is more recognizeable and popular to the casual fan than is Aaron Rowand, but they are both great representatives for the franchise. As for Frank Thomas I find it hard to believe that Reinsdorf wouldn't work something out with him to stay, even with the option/buyout situation. Especially if the White Sox have a good year in '05 which I believe they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Call me crazy, but I want both. Currently, about all we can compete for is the Upper Mid-West Series. It would be nice of we could join the likes of Boston and New York as perennial contenders, but that seems unlikely. I don't believe the path to a winning chance at something is 25 homogenous baseball players, all worth $3,000,000. I don't think it is good business and I certainly know it isn't going to win us an AL Pennant. We cannot afford the really high tiered players like A-Rod or Beltran. We do need two or three top tier guys to have a reasonable chance. Guys like Kong, Mark, and 6 months ago, I would have said Lee. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lets get some things straight baseball is never good business, to have such a mismatch of funds between teams is just plain dumb, but with that said.. it not going to change anytime soon I don't think. Even when the CBA comes due, I don't see a major change in it, you will have the NY and Boston fighting for keeping the rules the same, and players backing those owners up. As for us, we could be in the elite of the pack, the problem is JR and the board doesn't pony up the money, they do use the gate/ park fees as a basis for setting the team payroll, what they don't include is the TV/Radio deals that they got from ESPN and ComCast this past year. I would love to find the figures on how much more money they got from those deals, that they are not putting back into the teams roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) Lets get some things straight baseball is never good business, to have such a mismatch of funds between teams is just plain dumb, but with that said.. it not going to change anytime soon I don't think. Even when the CBA comes due, I don't see a major change in it, you will have the NY and Boston fighting for keeping the rules the same, and players backing those owners up. As for us, we could be in the elite of the pack, the problem is JR and the board doesn't pony up the money, they do use the gate/ park fees as a basis for setting the team payroll, what they don't include is the TV/Radio deals that they got from ESPN and ComCast this past year. I would love to find the figures on how much more money they got from those deals, that they are not putting back into the teams roster. You all need to quit getting your baseball info off of conspiracytheory.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I'm glad to see Konerko wanting to do that. I want to see him around for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 what they don't include is the TV/Radio deals that they got from ESPN and ComCast this past year. I would love to find the figures on how much more money they got from those deals, that they are not putting back into the teams roster. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Article/link/source for this statement? It's an interesting comment, just wondering where you read it, or to be more precise, how you know that to be fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Article/link/source for this statement? It's an interesting comment, just wondering where you read it, or to be more precise, how you know that to be fact. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Source is look at the gate Revunes from last year, they should equal our payroll before we were "okayed" to increase the payroll, do you actually think that money came out of the owners and JR pocket? NOPE, it was a part of that TV deal they signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 (edited) How is Rowand more popular than Konerko? He probably will become more popular, but I wouldn't go as far as to say he is more popular at this moment. Rowand gets little to no publicity around the national media, where as Pauly is more well known. Also, when it comes to jersey sales and things of that sort I have little doubt that Rowand sales even compare to Konerko's...However, it's only a matter of time before Aaron starts getting some national coverage, but right now, he's mostly known just by true White Sox fans. As far as Frank goes, I would love to see him here for the next 3-4 years and finish his career out here. I don't think that JR will let Frank walk away, but the time has come where Frank just really isn't THAT valuable in terms of money. If the Sox buy Frank out and he hits the market, I have trouble believing that there are many teams out there willing to spend much more than $4 million on a player who is JUST a DH and on the downside of his career. I really don't think that the Sox will be picking up his $10 million option for obvious reasons, and they will execute the $3.5 million buyout. However, what style of contract will they resign him with? I would love to see an incentive based contract with garaunteed options if Frank hits a certain performance level. Taking into consideration that Frank will be getting $3.5 million from just the buyout next year, I could see him taking a base salary of $3 million with incentives to push it up toward $6 million. Whether he can make a little more somewhere else, I would hope, would not be a big issue for Frank as it won't be a huge difference in salary. I have a feeling that it's either take the Sox deal and remain in your home and team that you've been on for 15 years or move somewhere else for an extra million. But then again, I can't see many teams looking for an aging 36 year-old DH...Even if he is Frank Thomas. Edited February 23, 2005 by sircaffey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Source is look at the gate Revunes from last year, they should equal our payroll before we were "okayed" to increase the payroll, do you actually think that money came out of the owners and JR pocket? NOPE, it was a part of that TV deal they signed. Quick math. just under 2,000,000 fans. No way average ticket price is anywhere near $35 with all the specials, discounts, promotions, etc. So I would say at $70,000,000 the team isn't just basing it on tickets. They couldn't pay the rest of the staff, travel expenses, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Source is look at the gate Revunes from last year, they should equal our payroll before we were "okayed" to increase the payroll, do you actually think that money came out of the owners and JR pocket? NOPE, it was a part of that TV deal they signed. Are you still looking at the revenue number based on 4 tickets and extrapolating it as if were based on one person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Are you still looking at the revenue number based on 4 tickets and extrapolating it as if were based on one person? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? No the revenues that you gave me that showed the gate numbers, come on now.. you gotta do better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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