Paul Konerko

[Steff]

As in Aaron Rowand? Are you sure 'bout that? 

 

Also, at this point in time I am more concerned with the team winning a game in the playoffs as opposed to one of the guys' chances of getting into the hall.

 

Yep.

 

 

So am I.. I was addressing her Paul is the "face of the Sox" comment.

[southsider2k5]

Huh? No  the revenues that you gave me that showed the gate numbers, come on now.. you gotta do better than that.

 

Well I have been waiting for you to do better than the same old conspiracy theory's and that hasn't happened. Once again, since you seem to have forgotten it already, here is the Forbes article.

 

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2004/0426/066tab_19.html

 

2003 season's operating income was almost $13 million. The 2004 payroll went up about $14 million over the 2003 payroll. Coincidence? I think not.

 

Also if you actually read the article gate receipts were only $32 million, which means their total revenue number was indeed their total revenue, which blows that whole "hiding revenue" conspiracy out of the water. Yes the Sox had over $90 million in revenues that were not gate receipts.

 

Forbes is a great source for this info as they are experts in corporate structure and actually understand what goes into financial reports and how to dissect them They are a much better source of info than you will get out of JR or MLB. You should try looking for your info there.

[Texsox]

Well I have been waiting for you to do better than the same old conspiracy theory's and that hasn't happened.  Once again, since you seem to have forgotten it already, here is the Forbes article.

 

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2004/0426/066tab_19.html

 

2003 season's operating income was almost $13 million.  The 2004 payroll went up about $14 million over the 2003 payroll.  Coincidence?  I think not. 

 

Also if you actually read the article gate receipts were only $32 million, which means their total revenue number was indeed their total revenue, which blows that whole "hiding revenue" conspiracy out of the water.  Yes the Sox had over $90 million in revenues that were not gate receipts.

 

Forbes is a great source for this info as they are experts in corporate structure and actually understand what goes into financial reports and how to dissect them  They are a much better source of info than you will get out of JR or MLB.  You should try looking for your info there.

 

 

I believe you mean profit not operating income.

[southsider2k5]

I believe you mean profit not operating income. 

 

I am sticking with Forbes terminology.

[AnthraxFan93]

SouthSide.. Going by those numbers that should leave us anther 30+mil to spend, yet we get told that our payroll is set there.. this is why I b**** we could have afforded better players then Dye and Hermanson

 

Im not saying spend all 30.mil I be happy if we could have spent 15 more on getting some better kids in here.

[Texsox]

I am sticking with Forbes terminology.

 

You money guys never say what something really is in plain English What that says is the team

 

A. Is optimistic that any gains, will carry over to the next year. If we made X in 2004 we will make X+ in 2005. That's aggressive and should be applauded.

 

B. They invest that the following season and theoretically, if things stayed the same, would break even.

 

I believe the team has been fair in what they spend. I appreciate the caution in signing guys to long term deals. I think it has allowed us to be competitive out of spring training every year for a long time. I also believe it would take a series of minor miracles for a new WS Banner to be flying over Charles Cominsky's place for long time.

[Steff]

SouthSide.. Going by those numbers that should leave us anther 30+mil to spend, yet we get told that our payroll is set there.. this is why I b**** we could have afforded better players then Dye and Hermanson

 

Im not saying spend all 30.mil I be happy if we could have spent 15 more on getting some better kids in here.

 

 

 

Where do you get $30+ million to spend?

[qwerty]

Where do you get $30+ million to spend? 

 

Um, his ass.

 

Didn't he think we had 40 something million to spend on free agents this winter?

[Guest JimH]

Source is look at the gate Revunes from last year, they should equal our payroll  before we were "okayed" to increase the payroll, do you actually think that money came out of the owners and JR pocket?  NOPE, it was a part of that TV deal they signed.

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So basically, it's a series of your own assumptions.

 

Oh.

[southsider2k5]

SouthSide.. Going by those numbers that should leave us anther 30+mil to spend, yet we get told that our payroll is set there.. this is why I b**** we could have afforded better players then Dye and Hermanson

 

Im not saying spend all 30.mil I be happy if we could have spent 15 more on getting some better kids in here.

 

Not even close. It is saying there are $51 million in expenses related to running this major league baseball team that aren't directly related to the players. It is pretty clear that there wasn't a $50 million profit made, there was $13 million.

 

It is right there in black and white under "operating income" of $12.8 million with the explanation of operating income as

 

"(4) Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. "

 

There was no extra $30 million. It went to running the team. There are a myriad of things it takes to run an MLB team, that have nothing to do with players. Scouts, management, travel expenses, advertising, ballpark matience, ushers, web designers, equiptment, electricity, heck I could go on forever, but you get the point.

[AnthraxFan93]

So basically, it's a series of your own assumptions.

 

Oh.

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Just trying to keep with the boards tradtion

[qwerty]

Just trying to keep with the boards tradtion

[Guest JimH]

Just trying to keep with the boards tradtion

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Nice try ... but you're the leader of the assumption parade.

 

IMO if you'd stick with commenting on baseball itself, where your knowledge of the game comes out vs. these goofy conspiracy theories and your KW sucks mantra, you'd be better off.

 

I really do think you enjoy posting things you know will stir up controversy. It's extremely annoying, which has been aptly pointed out by several long term respected posters in this thread. Texsox said it best in his congratulatory message to you re: posting the exact same sentiment for the 1000th time. Everyone gets your POV, you're not going to change anyone's mind.

 

Please consider giving it a rest. Thanks.

[Rowand44]

Yep.

So am I.. I was addressing her Paul is the "face of the Sox" comment.

This is jmo, but it seems among sox fans these two are equally popular both of them are very beloved. However if you go national I'd have to say Pauly is more recognizable right now, once again jmo.

[southsider2k5]

Nice try ... but you're the leader of the assumption parade.

 

IMO if you'd stick with commenting on baseball itself, where your knowledge of the game comes out vs. these goofy conspiracy theories and your KW sucks mantra, you'd be better off.

 

I really do think you enjoy posting things you know will stir up controversy.  It's extremely annoying, which has been aptly pointed out by several long term respected posters in this thread. Texsox said it best in his congratulatory message to you re: posting the exact same sentiment for the 1000th time.  Everyone gets your POV, you're not going to change anyone's mind.

 

Please consider giving it a rest.  Thanks.

 

Well at least he gave up on the "Sox have an extra $30 million to spend" thing.

[Y2HH]

Who cares about Paulie, we should be worried about signing Timo to a 5 year 55M deal.

[CWSGuy406]

I want to see Paul Konerko hit a wee bit better than .240 before I start handing him a contract worth over eight million per season. US Cellular Field tends to inflate numbers, and that's saying it lightly. If he's a guy who's going to barely give us a .700 OPS on the road, then I say you let him walk, and spend that money elsewhere in the offseason. Hell, I know a lot of people would be against this, but I don't doubt that Ross Gload can give us pretty good production (at least vs. righties) -- for league minimum, allowing you to load up elsewhere.

 

And, Thomas >>>>> Konerko. Hands down, no questions asked, I'd take Thomas every day over Konerko.

[Y2HH]

Konerko, however, is VERY good in the clutch...RISP, RISP with outs, etc...Kong is brilliant in those situations.

 

Every time I see Frank in those situations, he fails me.

 

-y2

 

 

I want to see Paul Konerko hit a wee bit better than .240 before I start handing him a contract worth over eight million per season.  US Cellular Field tends to inflate numbers, and that's saying it lightly.  If he's a guy who's going to barely give us a .700 OPS on the road, then I say you let him walk, and spend that money elsewhere in the offseason.  Hell, I know a lot of people would be against this, but I don't doubt that Ross Gload can give us pretty good production (at least vs. righties) -- for league minimum, allowing you to load up elsewhere.

 

And, Thomas >>>>> Konerko.  Hands down, no questions asked, I'd take Thomas every day over Konerko.