qwerty Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 10:36 PM) Well good luck finding an EXACT match... I just made the BEST match I could think of off the top of my head... You do realize no 2 players are exactly alike? ANY attempt at comparing two players can quickly be argued because each player has his own strong points, deficiencies, and quircks... I honestly haven't seen anyone make a BETTER match than mine, including those who are quick to judge mine... Mine was. Michael finley. While he may be several inches taller he is a bad post up player and matches gordon in every single aspect of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I'm glad you get offended so easy. Especially when you didn't even read a post 3 posts above yours that agreed with you. I already said... but I'm not sure he compares to another NBA player right now. Jason Terry is somewhat a comparision, but Gordon is more athletic and less of a PG than Terry. They are both SG's in PG's bodies and excellent outside shooters. Basically he has his own style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 11:40 PM) Mine was. Michael finley. While he may be several inches taller he is a bad post up player and matches gordon in every single aspect of the game. Well, according to everyone, height is a significant factor. Finley's numbers have also been declining each of the past 4 seasons, and he's not as clutch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 04:42 AM) Finley's numbers have also been declining each of the past 4 seasons, and he's not as clutch... We're comparing guys in their prime, hence the Vinnie Johnson mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 11:40 PM) I'm glad you get offended so easy. Especially when you didn't even read a post 3 posts above yours that agreed with you. I already said... LOL. Just some friendly banter. I hope you're not getting upset or anything. I don't take it personally... But yeah, different positions...I don't see Ben distributing and getting assists like a PG... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(Spiff @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 06:40 PM) But you did compare his speed to Iverson. Go back and look. Among the league's elite at handling the ball? Let's not get carried away. Well he is amongst the league worse in terms of turnovers, imo. Gordon has great dribbling ability when it comes to breaking a guys ankles and blowing past him, but he's got a lot to learn about passing and protecting the basketball. I'm with spiffaroo on this one. On a sidenote, a guy I'd love to see on the Bulls is Chris Mihm. Good god am I becoming a big time Mihm fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 You want a comparison thats relatively current. Ben Gordon is like Bobby Jackson at this stage. Both are awful defenders, but explosive scorers and are a big part of there teams. Of course Jackson is injured with the Kings, but at this point thats who I'd most compare with Gordon. I think Gordon has the ability to be a hell of a ballplayer, but he won't be getting more minutes this season because he wouldn't have the stamina to handle it nor does he play the defense to warrant it. I'm hoping he can become a decent on ball defender because then the Bulls could have him and Hinrich in a lot of split sets most of the time in a year or so. At the same time Skiles rotates his guys so well and I figure the Bulls will have some other good perimeter players to help out as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) Well he is amongst the league worse in terms of turnovers, imo. Gordon has great dribbling ability when it comes to breaking a guys ankles and blowing past him, but he's got a lot to learn about passing and protecting the basketball. I'm with spiffaroo on this one. On a sidenote, a guy I'd love to see on the Bulls is Chris Mihm. Good god am I becoming a big time Mihm fan. When he does not feel like it is his job to just foul everyone in sight he is a fine player. Not a player i would start though. Ideally he would be the best coming off the bench acting as the back up point guard/center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 lol you don't have to worry about me getting offended, I don't take anything on this board seriously outside of UNC losing. Even that I'm trying to work on. There's not really a great comparison as we can see, just bits and pieces of people's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Here's what Steve Kerr thinks about Gordon. "Gordon is short but very strong and explosive, and he has an assassin's mentality when it comes to scoring,'' Kerr said. "He looks like a modern-day version of Andrew Toney. Gordon's late explosions have helped the Bulls become a feared team that looks to be on its way to the playoffs.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) The Bulls had Mihm. They drafted him and traded him to Cleveland for Jamal Crawford. Gordon does have quite a few Jordan skills. The game winning shots, the fall away jumpers, the streak shooting behind the 3 point line. But, I would say that his game has quite a few similarities to Scottie Pippen's. Edited February 24, 2005 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 04:53 PM) Holy s***, where have you been for like ever? I was just wondering where you have been. Hey man! Yeah, school started up and stuff happened... what can you say? Yeah, I'll be back now that the season is starting up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 06:28 AM) The Bulls had Mihm. They drafted him and traded him to Cleveland for Jamal Crawford. Gordon does have quite a few Jordan skills. The game winning shots, the fall away jumpers, the streak shooting behind the 3 point line. But, I would say that his game has quite a few similarities to Scottie Pippen's. Streak shooting from the three? Gordon>>> jordan when it comes to shooting the three. I don't think many people realize how bad of a three point shooter he was. What similarities does gordan have to pippen? Because basically whatever he would have n common with pippen he would have in common with jordan. Pippen and jordan are almost identical players outside of points per game. But that was not his role most of his career, when it was he stepped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 06:15 AM) Here's what Steve Kerr thinks about Gordon. Only thing really different with the two is toney didn't shoot many threes. He attempted less than one per game. Otherwise it is a very good comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) Streak shooting from the three? Gordon>>> jordan when it comes to shooting the three. I don't think many people realize how bad of a three point shooter he was. What similarities does gordan have to pippen? Because basically whatever he would have n common with pippen he would have in common with jordan. Pippen and jordan are almost identical players outside of points per game. But that was not his role most of his career, when it was he stepped up. Their is a lot more to players than numbers. scottie's numbers outside of ppg were comparable to MJ but MJ was more effective. MJ has leadership that is 5 levels ahead of pip. Not to rag on scottie, it just shows you how great MJ really was. MJ's Leadership was levels ahead of any player to play the game. So with that I don't think you can compare scottie too much to MJ. fwiw scottie was my fav player . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 11:52 PM) Their is a lot more to players than numbers. scottie's numbers outside of ppg were comparable to MJ but MJ was more effective. MJ has leadership that is 5 levels ahead of pip. Not to rag on scottie, it just shows you how great MJ really was. MJ's Leadership was levels ahead of any player to play the game. So with that I don't think you can compare scottie too much to MJ. fwiw scottie was my fav player . You see the talent scottie had to work with when jordan first retired? You have to be a damn good leader to work with that. Also, if jordan did not have a player to cpmpliment him like pippen did he would have not be quite as good. He would have still be a legend but the best player of all time? I don't know about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 11:56 PM) You see the talent scottie had to work with when jordan first retired? You have to be a damn good leader to work with that. Also, if jordan did not have a player to cpmpliment him like pippen did he would have not be quite as good. He would have still be a legend but the best player of all time? I don't know about that. BJ started the AS game, Horace was a reserve on the as squad. Kukoc made all rookie second team. their were plenty of teams with worse talent in 94. Scottie was a great leader in 93-94 and 94-95. One hugh hollins bad call away of going to the eastern conferance finals against the pacers . in 94-95 I believe scottie led the bulls in every major statistical category, at least he was for the majority of the season. Who knows what MJs legacy would be without scottie, thats one thing we will never know. The argument can go either way. Im glad things folded out the way they did with mj and scottie together the majority of their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 vinnie "microwave" johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 It's not MJ because of the D. It's not AI because of the attitude. It;s not Vinnie Johnson because.....it's not. Hence, I voted other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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