southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7022618/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Even gods go to guy dies eventually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Nice to see Sven on these boards someplace!!! I grew up on the guy. BERWYN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 yeah but do you remember THE KOZ ZONE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 CNN is reporting that the Pope has had a traceotomy(sp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 It keeps sounding worse for him, he'll have lived great life whenever it comes to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Any one take him in their dead pools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 04:52 PM) Any one take him in their dead pools? A. That would be bad karma B. No points really. He's old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 06:03 PM) Nice to see Sven on these boards someplace!!! I grew up on the guy. BERWYN!!! I like Sven too, but what is the Joke behind BERWYN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 06:16 PM) A. That would be bad karma B. No points really. He's old. You get minimal points for oldsters, not zero points. Man, the years I wasted slots filled with should-be ringers - people like Marjorie Stoneman Douglas and the Queen Mum and Reagan and Eubie Blake and George Burns, etc., who just kept hanging on. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 His closest advisers are at his side. I'll set the over/under at 72 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) His closest advisers are at his side. I'll set the over/under at 72 hours. So what's the over/under on your being struck by a rogue bolt of lightning? In all seriousness, JPII is one-of-a-kind. Meeting him, shaking his hand etc., ever so briefly when he came and said mass at the old Quigley South way back when I was a kid was a major thrill in the young life of this one-time Catholic with (don't laugh) seminary aspirations. JPII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 I dont mean to be disrespectful to him, but as a Lutheran, I really dont hold him any higher than any other human being. We jokeon here about other people all the time. i see him as being no differant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 And I think you're quite safe from the lightning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) And I think you're quite safe from the lightning. Yet somehow I fear it. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 09:10 PM) You get minimal points for oldsters, not zero points. Man, the years I wasted slots filled with should-be ringers - people like Marjorie Stoneman Douglas and the Queen Mum and Reagan and Eubie Blake and George Burns, etc., who just kept hanging on. :banghead We always used 100 minus the age. I remember when someone had River Phoenix. Killed us all that year. Back to the Pope and the growing speculation of who will replace him. Years ago Cardinal Bernadin was rumoured to be somewhere in the discussion. Sadly, now there really isn't an American even in the mix. I haven't been able to go to sleep. I know this is a very Catholic feeling, but the Pope has been heavy on my heart tonight as I await a computer beep and a CNN update or other instant report. I'm listening to sad songs and praying. It seems the good, they all die young. My son is going on retreat this weekend for his Confirmation. Should be an interesting time. Edited February 25, 2005 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 24, 2005 -> 10:30 PM) I dont mean to be disrespectful to him, but as a Lutheran, I really dont hold him any higher than any other human being. We jokeon here about other people all the time. i see him as being no differant. As someone who is very biblical in orientation, I agree with you 100% with your statement. IMO The bible makes it very clear that no man is better than any other man. The only leader of the church is to be Christ. Every human is to play their own role in the church to the best of their abilities. I am actually curious if anyone can show me the biblical justification for the Pope, because in my self-admitted limited knowledge I can't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 25, 2005 -> 08:15 AM) I am actually curious if anyone can show me the biblical justification for the Pope, because in my self-admitted limited knowledge I can't find it. It's supposed to stem from Simon Peter and "You are the rock on which I shall build the church," etc. Jesus elevated him above the other desciples and the tradition of elevating one above all others in the church on Earth continues in the person of the pope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 25, 2005 -> 07:29 AM) It's supposed to stem from Simon Peter and "You are the rock on which I shall build the church," etc. Jesus elevated him above the other desciples and the tradition of elevating one above all others in the church on Earth continues in the person of the pope. Very interesting. I just looked it up to read the context, and the King James version reads like this "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." I wish I knew Arameic to read the original. To me those verses sound about as strong as Bush's mandate. The verses after that are the verses that make Peter Heaven's gate keeper, so it would be pretty easy to interpret that verse as saying He is depending on him to do this important job and the church depends on it, not you are to be the leader of the church, if taken in its full context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Actually, for me the second verse ("whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven...") represents the Dininely bestowed authority for all of the Popes who followed to make Ex Cathedra proclamations, papal infallability and all that, which according to Church doctrine are as good as hearing the statements directly from God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 25, 2005 -> 07:51 AM) Actually, for me the second verse ("whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven...") represents the Dininely bestowed authority for all of the Popes who followed to make Ex Cathedra proclamations, papal infallability and all that, which according to Church doctrine are as good as hearing the statements directly from God. See to me that still reads as a part of the privledges and duties as Heaven's gatekeeper. IE if Peter decides someone can enter the gates of Heaven, then they can pass into heaven. If he condemns them then they are stuck on Earth. Really interesting stuff though. It really tells you how someone can take a verse or two and use that to justify outlawing gay marriage or interracial marriage or just about anything the bible has been used to justify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Those passages are translated several different ways depending on whose "Seal of Approval" the editors are trying to gain. Most Protestant translations are not that strong, in fact they tip toe around it very well. Catholic Bibles tend to be even more forceful. As always pick your truth, it's probably in the middle somewhere. I do not believe there will be separate lines for us all on our way to our just rewards. As I mentioned in another thread, effective marketing requires a choice, Coke vs. Pepsi, Christianity vs. Communism, Christianity vs. Homosexuals, and Catholicism vs. Fundamentalism all work out nicely. Yes Virginia, even your spiritual leaders are trying to witness or convert you. Bring your skepticism and shop wisely. Your life may depend on it. BTW, a CD of today's sermon can be purchased in the lobby along with the glow in the dark Last Supper sculpture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 25, 2005 -> 08:06 AM) See to me that still reads as a part of the privledges and duties as Heaven's gatekeeper. IE if Peter decides someone can enter the gates of Heaven, then they can pass into heaven. If he condemns them then they are stuck on Earth. Really interesting stuff though. It really tells you how someone can take a verse or two and use that to justify outlawing gay marriage or interracial marriage or just about anything the bible has been used to justify. Or to justify honoring your parents, not murdering, keeping the sabbath holy, remaining faithful to your spouse, etc. The Bible has been used to justify some very good things also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 25, 2005 -> 08:12 AM) Or to justify honoring your parents, not murdering, keeping the sabbath holy, remaining faithful to your spouse, etc. The Bible has been used to justify some very good things also. Those are clear cut things in a clear cut context. Those are easy reads, and it has nothing to do whether the things were "good" or not. God never said "No gays shall ever be wed." Its left up to interpretation. God DID say "honor thy mother and father", so we don't have to wonder about it and look for guidence on how to treat our parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 25, 2005 -> 08:28 AM) Those are clear cut things in a clear cut context. Those are easy reads, and it has nothing to do whether the things were "good" or not. God never said "No gays shall ever be wed." Its left up to interpretation. God DID say "honor thy mother and father", so we don't have to wonder about it and look for guidence on how to treat our parents. Thou shall not kill seems clear, yet we still have Capital Punishment. Even the clear stuff gets debated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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