CWSGuy406 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 03:22 AM) Somebody help, who is this Johnson you are speaking of, I'm drawing a blank. Also, I'm extremely happy with Muhamed signing. But, in a big way it pisses me off too, not that he signed, but the fact that there is a debate over who to draft now. By letting A-Train walk away, Angelo has to find another quality runner, when last year he had 1, (Train) and a serviceable bum (Jones). I'm sorry, I hate Thomas Jones. So rather than draft Williams with the 4, The Bears have to worry about another RB when keeping Train would have been the answer. Angelo has dome some really good things, but I hate him for the way he has treated A-Train and I hate Michigan too. They need to keep Terrell too, IMO. I agree with everything you said (except I don't dislike Michigan so much). And, Johnson is a LB (OLB) from Texas that is drawing comparisons the comparisons of Ray Lewis. People say he might be the best pure athlete in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Thomas Jones is superior to Anthony Thomas. He was very good last year for the Bears. get him a serviceable line to run behind and a passing game that takes away extra guys out the box, and you turn those 950 yards into 1250 along with his receiving skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 26, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) Johnson, Urlacher, Briggs = Best in the League! Muhammed, Edwards, Terrell= Among the top in the league. Jones, Benson= Among the best as well. You choose! Best linebackers would have to go to the steelers our wrs even with muhammad still not immpressive, and edwards doesnt have size rbs bull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I'm pretty sure Braylon is 6'3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Feb 26, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Thomas Jones is superior to Anthony Thomas. He was very good last year for the Bears. get him a serviceable line to run behind and a passing game that takes away extra guys out the box, and you turn those 950 yards into 1250 along with his receiving skills. Then why is he on his 3rd team after being 7th pick overall? I hated when he signed and I hate him now. Some team is going to get a stud in A-Train and we will be watching Adrian Peterson (the one they already have) sucking it up because Jones was hurt or ineffective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 It took Thomas a while to grow up and realize what it took to be an NFL player. There's no doubting that he mishandled things in Arizona. But, Arizona has proven to be a place that is better to leave than to be. He's not the only guy that needed a change of scenery from there. What didn't he do on the field last year. He had a 4.0 ypc on one of the worst lines (due to health) in the NFL. No team in the league, including Pittsburgh, was forced to run the football so predictably due to circumstances outside of Jones' control. Listen, if you don't like the guy-that's understandable. Some guys rub you the wrong way, like Aaron Rowand and Kurt Warner for me. I can respect your opinion on this. I just think that Thomas Jones can be that Priest Holmes type weapon. He's not there yet, but look at the strides he made over a full year here. If Ronnie Brown really did run a 4.3, as some unofficial timers had him at, then maybe we could use both guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Feb 26, 2005 -> 11:54 PM) It took Thomas a while to grow up and realize what it took to be an NFL player. There's no doubting that he mishandled things in Arizona. But, Arizona has proven to be a place that is better to leave than to be. He's not the only guy that needed a change of scenery from there. What didn't he do on the field last year. He had a 4.0 ypc on one of the worst lines (due to health) in the NFL. No team in the league, including Pittsburgh, was forced to run the football so predictably due to circumstances outside of Jones' control. Listen, if you don't like the guy-that's understandable. Some guys rub you the wrong way, like Aaron Rowand and Kurt Warner for me. I can respect your opinion on this. I just think that Thomas Jones can be that Priest Holmes type weapon. He's not there yet, but look at the strides he made over a full year here. If Ronnie Brown really did run a 4.3, as some unofficial timers had him at, then maybe we could use both guys. I respect your opinions here as well. I'm just venting, I love A-Train and Jones is the guy that was brought in and took his job (I wouldn't give anyone a chance in this situation) and I fully believe that Train did nothing to lose it. As I said in an earlier post, keeping Train and signing Muhammed would have given, IMO, The Bears a luxury at the 4 spot. Now, they almost have to draft a RB for depth in case Jones gets hurt or is ineffective. As much as I hate David Terrell also, I think it would be foolish for The Bears to cut him loose also, just because of depth issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 04:26 AM) Thomas Jones is superior to Anthony Thomas. He was very good last year for the Bears. get him a serviceable line to run behind and a passing game that takes away extra guys out the box, and you turn those 950 yards into 1250 along with his receiving skills. Anthony Thomas ran behind the same line, and when Thomas ran well for us (i.e. 2001, specific games this year), we won. He's a bruiser. He doesn't fumble. In the fourth quarter, that's where A-Train makes his money. I agree with you, ws91403, some team is going to get a damn good RB in Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 yeah compare their careers the superior running back is A-Train.... but i dont think we use the number 4 pick on another RB.... Thomas Jones isnt a favorite of mine but at begining of season when Grossman was QB Jones got the job done so it tells me last year wasnt really his fault.... id say with that pick we either draft Mike Williams/Braylon Edwards, draft Derrick Johnson or trade it to a team with two first rounders and get like Clayton and an OL guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) Anthony Thomas ran behind the same line, and when Thomas ran well for us (i.e. 2001, specific games this year), we won. He's a bruiser. He doesn't fumble. In the fourth quarter, that's where A-Train makes his money. I agree with you, ws91403, some team is going to get a damn good RB in Thomas. The Bears also had a passing offense in 2001. I wouldn't give up on Jones yet, at his best, he has shown he can easily rack up 100 - 150 yards rushing and is a pretty damn good receiver too. And A-Train isn't going to get a starter's job elsewhere, there's too many damn good RB's in this year's free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Look at the numbers TJ put up when Rex was in and throwing the ball, i.e Green Bay game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Excellent point WHArris1, he was awesome with Grossman in. You also have to factor in the injuries to the OL after Grossman went out too. Tucker, Tait, and Brown were all injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I would do 1 of the following 2: 1) Draft Edwards/ Mike Williams with the 4th pick or 2) Trade down for 2 1st rounders and choose Mike Williams with the 1st and the best OL or LB available with the 2nd 1st rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 07:36 PM) I would do 1 of the following 2: 1) Draft Edwards/ Mike Williams with the 4th pick or 2) Trade down for 2 1st rounders and choose Mike Williams with the 1st and the best OL or LB available with the 2nd 1st rounder. We no longer need to use that pick on a WR...that would be like an Arizona Cardinals type decision, IMO. I'd feel much better if we brought in an all pro caliber RB (Brown or Benson), or that freak LB outta Texas. The history of this franchise revolves around excellent running backs and devastating linebackers...I'd like to see us keep it that way. That's Bears football, mang. I know that Boers and Bernstein would probably tear me a new one if I called up and said that, but I couldn't care less. There's a lot of truth to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 lol no unlike Arizona we are still in need of a WR.... only problem is the 4th pick wouldnt be best spot to adress it and because this isnt considered a good draft teams prob arent considering trading 2 first rounders to move up in it. If i had my ideal draft though take Mike Williams or if you can trade down and draft an OL and Clayton from oklahoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) i'm not a fan of derrick johnson. i've been living in tx for the past two years and have watched every game. he never seems to make the big play and all of his tackles come 5-7 yards downfield. it's his speed that covers up all of his warts. he just lacks the instincts of a great linebacker. i smell a disapointment if he's drafted this high. Edited February 27, 2005 by black jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(black jack @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) i'm not a fan of derrick johnson. i've been living in tx for the past two years and have watched every game. he never seems to make the big play and all of his tackles come 5-7 yards downfield. it's his speed that covers up all of his warts. he just lacks the instincts of a great linebacker. i smell a disapointment if he's drafted this high. We are talking about the same kid here right? Derrick is an unreal defensive talent. He's extremely well-rounded and the only true knock on him is strength and the inability to shed blockers. As a freshman, Derrick totaled 83 tackles (13 for a loss of yards), since then he has been nothing short os spectacular. Derrick was credited for 8 forced fumbles in the team's first 10 games, he has above-average size, way above-average speed, and a nose for the football. His athletic ability is unmatched at his position this year and last coming out of the college game. He is also good in coverage. I don't know what Johnson you've been watching in Texas. Doesn't make big plays!??? :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 08:40 PM) lol no unlike Arizona we are still in need of a WR.... I'm saying that it would be an Arizona Cardinals type move. If we're talking draft history, they've been making terrible decisions for more than a quarter century now. The way our team is built now, we need a terrific running back to keep the defense off of the field. Then we'll be able to close out games with authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Cardinals are actually starting to make smart decisions starting with the hire of Dennis Green..... but anyways you look at the biggest needs for us on offense and they are still OL and WR.... Thomas Jones is they guy who is our RB and he is good enuf even though im an A-Train fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 The Bears will take a RB in the draft, and I think they should take one higher too. I just don't think they should be taking one at #4. All they need at RB is depth, and a guy who can do well if Jones is hurt or he struggles. Fason or Morhency would be perfect second round picks for them(especially since I have read that Fason ran a sub 4.3 40) Guys that can produce at RB that are drafted later are all over...Smith and Moore in Minnesota, Suggs in Cleveland, Davis in Houston, and that is really just scratching the surface. I really, truly believe that if the Bears were to take a RB at 4, they would be making a mistake, no matter how good Brown/Benson/Cadillac become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I think it would be absolutely stupid to waste 2 straight picks on RB. MAYBE 1 but 2, no. Also, saying that ALL the team needs is depth at RB is a BIG mistake. I would go with either Johnson out of Texas or Edwards out of Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 2 straight picks on RB? Where did that come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) Excellent point WHArris1, he was awesome with Grossman in. You also have to factor in the injuries to the OL after Grossman went out too. Tucker, Tait, and Brown were all injured. Thomas, when given the chance this year, ran well behind the same offensive line that Jones ran poorly behind. I dunno, maybe it's just me and WS91, but after what -- four, five years in the NFL, you'd think that Jones would have done something worth a damn in his NFL career. I'll take the results, i.e. A-Train, over the toolsy guy, Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 you know its kind of annoying all this A-Train and Thomas Jones debate..... sure some of us like A-Train better and thought he should of kept his job but thats not the case and he is gone so really its time to move on, for this year at least i can almost gurantee you that our starting RB will be Thomas Jones so taking a RB 1st round would be dumb especially with the 4th overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I dont want it turning into a Rams type situation where your starter plays well but you cant keep the high pick RB on the bench even though the starter is playing well. Faulk was doing just fine and then they realized "Oh, we gotta give Jackson some playing time too." and that pretty much f***ed them up. Jackson is a great talent and a wonderful RB but if it aint broke dont fix it. The Bears running game was fine, so, dont fix it. Also, I beleive TJ missed one or 2 games last year which also provides a decline in #'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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