NFL Combine 40 times

[witesoxfan]

I heard Mike Williams ran today and got a 4.59

 

And with the 4th overall pick, the Chicago Bears select Braylon Edwards, University of Michigan

[witesoxfan]

And with the 4th overall pick, the Chicago Bears select Braylon Edwards, University of Michigan

 

or Derrick Johnson...maybe him too.

 

I gotta be almost positive it won't be Williams anymore, unless he can get the 40 time improves.

[WHarris1]

Please Johnson, please not Braylon.

[SoxFan1]

So, Williams is out of the picture. OL is out of the picture. Benson is 75% out of the picture. It's down to, like I said, Braylon, Ronnie and Derrick.

Edited February 28, 2005 by SoxFan1

[WHarris1]

Why is Benson more out of the picture then Ronnie?

I think the Bears will strongly consider whichever Miami doesn't take.

[SoxFan1]

Why is Benson more out of the picture then Ronnie?

I think the Bears will strongly consider whichever Miami doesn't take.

Beacuse Benson has been Miami's guy since ealrny January.

[SoxFan1]

Background on Johnson:

 

LB, 6'4, 23o, U of Texas

 

An aggressive, speedy and explosive linebacker who established himself as one of the nation’s premier defensive players … earned the Bronko Nagurski Trophy as the nation’s top defensive player and the Butkus Award (nation’s top LB) ... was a finalist for the Bednarik Award (nation’s top defensive player), the Lombardi Award (nation’s top lineman) and the Lott Trophy (defensive player of the year) in 2004 … was the only defensive player among the 10 finalists for the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award … earned unanimous first-team All-America accolades ... was a unanimous selection as the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year in 2004 … named the preseason National Defensive Player of the Year by Lindy's, Athlon and Blue Ribbon College Football Yearbook … tabbed a preseason first-team All-American by Street & Smith's … picked as the top NFL prospect entering 2004 by Lindy's … also rated as one of the Top 10 prospects for the 2004 Heisman Trophy by that publication … projected as the nation’s top outside linebacker entering 2004 by The Sporting News … earned a spot on the prestigious Playboy Preseason All-American Team for the second time in 2004 … was one of three Butkus Award finalists in 2003 … was the only returning player among that group … projected by many as a first-round NFL draft pick, but elected to return for his senior year … is the first player in Texas history to be honored as a Butkus finalist and was a semifinalist for the award in 2002 … in 2003, was UT’s first consensus first-team All-American LB since Jeff Leiding in 1983 … tabbed first-team All-America by The Associate Press, the Football Writers Association of America and the Walter Camp Football Foundation … earned second-team All-America honors from The Sporting News … a two-time first-team All-Big 12 selection … played in 50 career games, including bowl games, and started 40 overall … tallied 458 career tackles (No. 3 on UT’s career list), 281 solo tackles (No. 4 on UT’s career list), 65 TFLs (No. 1 on UT’s career list), 10.5 sacks, 39 QB pressures, 29 PBUs (UT record for LBs), nine interceptions (No. 1 on UT’s interceptions by a LB list), 11 forced fumbles (T-No. 3 on UT’s career list) and five fumble recoveries … averaged 21.7 yards per return on his nine career picks … recorded 24 career double-digit tackle games and led UT in tackles 23 times … in 18 career games against Top 25 opponents, has posted 175 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 31 TFLs, four interceptions, nine PBUs, 19 pressures, three caused fumbles and a fumble recovery … started all 12 games in 2004 and posted 130 tackles (73 solo), 19 TFLs, 10 pressures, eight PBUs, nine caused fumbles (No. 1 on NCAA single-season list), two sacks and a blocked extra point … forced a fumble on one out of every 14.4 tackles in 2004 … earned Big 12 Defensive Player of the Week honors three times in 2004 … started all 13 games in 2003 and recorded 125 tackles, 20 TFLs, two sacks, 10 pressures, nine PBUs, four interceptions (T-No. 1 on UT’s single-season INT by a LB list), one forced fumble and three fumble recoveries … six of his seven turnovers forced in 2003 either resulted in scores or set up short touchdown drives … his 20 TFLs in 2003 rank seventh-best nationally among returning players in 2004 … started all 13 games and registered 120 tackles, 13 TFLs, two sacks, 10 pressures, 10 PBUs and four interceptions (T-No. 1 on UT’s single-season interceptions by a linebacker list) en route to first-team All-Big 12 honors in 2002 … also earned a spot among the Butkus Award semifinalists list (just the second player in UT history to earn that honor) … saw action in all 13 games, including two starts as a true freshman … named the Defensive MVP of the Holiday Bowl after recording nine tackles, a sack and an interception that led to UT's first go-ahead TD in the fourth quarter versus Washington … The Sporting News' National Freshman of the Year (2001) … earned first-team Freshman All-America honors from The Sporting News and Football Writers Association of America … named the Big 12 co-Defensive Freshman of the Year … a second-team all-conference and Defensive Newcomer of the Year selection by the Houston Chronicle … led all Big 12 freshmen in tackles (83) and sacks (4.5) and ranked second in TFLs (13) … ranked second nationally among all true freshmen defenders in TFLs and sacks and fourth in tackles … finished the year in third place on UT's freshman sacks list, fourth in TFLs and eighth in tackles … his TFLs and sack totals rank first all-time among UT freshman linebackers … a Parade All-American who once posted 30 tackles in a high school game ... ran a 10.5-second 100 meters as a prepster.

 

2004 Nagurski Trophy Winner (Best Defensive Player) and Butkus Award Winner (Best LB).

 

B-E-A-S-T!!!!!!!!

[WHarris1]

Beacuse Benson has been Miami's guy since ealrny January.

Not anymore.

Not after Ronnie ran a 4.32. He is higher on there board, I gurantee it.

Also they are gonna give a long hard look at Alex Smith.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 01:26 AM)

Not anymore.

Not after Ronnie ran a 4.32.  He is higher on there board, I gurantee it.

Also they are gonna give a long hard look at Alex Smith.

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Plus isn't Miami said to be the front runner for RB LaMont Jordan in free agency? I believe that is what I heard. They have a number of holes to fill and not that many draft picks. If they can get a player like LaMont Jordan to play RB for them they can use the draft pick on other needs or trade it.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 01:19 AM)

Background on Johnson:

 

LB, 6'4, 23o, U of Texas

 

An aggressive, speedy and explosive linebacker who established himself as one of the nation’s premier defensive players … earned the Bronko Nagurski Trophy as the nation’s top defensive player and the Butkus Award (nation’s top LB) ... was a finalist for the Bednarik Award (nation’s top defensive player), the Lombardi Award (nation’s top lineman) and the Lott Trophy (defensive player of the year) in 2004 … was the only defensive player among the 10 finalists for the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award … earned unanimous first-team All-America accolades ... was a unanimous selection as the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year in 2004 … named the preseason National Defensive Player of the Year by Lindy's, Athlon and Blue Ribbon College Football Yearbook … tabbed a preseason first-team All-American by Street & Smith's … picked as the top NFL prospect entering 2004 by Lindy's … also rated as one of the Top 10 prospects for the 2004 Heisman Trophy by that publication … projected as the nation’s top outside linebacker entering 2004 by The Sporting News … earned a spot on the prestigious Playboy Preseason All-American Team for the second time in 2004 … was one of three Butkus Award finalists in 2003 … was the only returning player among that group … projected by many as a first-round NFL draft pick, but elected to return for his senior year … is the first player in Texas history to be honored as a Butkus finalist and was a semifinalist for the award in 2002 … in 2003, was UT’s first consensus first-team All-American LB since Jeff Leiding in 1983 … tabbed first-team All-America by The Associate Press, the Football Writers Association of America and the Walter Camp Football Foundation … earned second-team All-America honors from The Sporting News … a two-time first-team All-Big 12 selection … played in 50 career games, including bowl games, and started 40 overall … tallied 458 career tackles (No. 3 on UT’s career list), 281 solo tackles (No. 4 on UT’s career list), 65 TFLs (No. 1 on UT’s career list), 10.5 sacks, 39 QB pressures, 29 PBUs (UT record for LBs), nine interceptions (No. 1 on UT’s interceptions by a LB list), 11 forced fumbles (T-No. 3 on UT’s career list) and five fumble recoveries … averaged 21.7 yards per return on his nine career picks … recorded 24 career double-digit tackle games and led UT in tackles 23 times … in 18 career games against Top 25 opponents, has posted 175 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 31 TFLs, four interceptions, nine PBUs, 19 pressures, three caused fumbles and a fumble recovery … started all 12 games in 2004 and posted 130 tackles (73 solo), 19 TFLs, 10 pressures, eight PBUs, nine caused fumbles (No. 1 on NCAA single-season list), two sacks and a blocked extra point … forced a fumble on one out of every 14.4 tackles in 2004 … earned Big 12 Defensive Player of the Week honors three times in 2004 … started all 13 games in 2003 and recorded 125 tackles, 20 TFLs, two sacks, 10 pressures, nine PBUs, four interceptions (T-No. 1 on UT’s single-season INT by a LB list), one forced fumble and three fumble recoveries … six of his seven turnovers forced in 2003 either resulted in scores or set up short touchdown drives … his 20 TFLs in 2003 rank seventh-best nationally among returning players in 2004 … started all 13 games and registered 120 tackles, 13 TFLs, two sacks, 10 pressures, 10 PBUs and four interceptions (T-No. 1 on UT’s single-season interceptions by a linebacker list) en route to first-team All-Big 12 honors in 2002 … also earned a spot among the Butkus Award semifinalists list (just the second player in UT history to earn that honor) … saw action in all 13 games, including two starts as a true freshman … named the Defensive MVP of the Holiday Bowl after recording nine tackles, a sack and an interception that led to UT's first go-ahead TD in the fourth quarter versus Washington … The Sporting News' National Freshman of the Year (2001) … earned first-team Freshman All-America honors from The Sporting News and Football Writers Association of America … named the Big 12 co-Defensive Freshman of the Year … a second-team all-conference and Defensive Newcomer of the Year selection by the Houston Chronicle … led all Big 12 freshmen in tackles (83) and sacks (4.5) and ranked second in TFLs (13) … ranked second nationally among all true freshmen defenders in TFLs and sacks and fourth in tackles … finished the year in third place on UT's freshman sacks list, fourth in TFLs and eighth in tackles … his TFLs and sack totals rank first all-time among UT freshman linebackers … a Parade All-American who once posted 30 tackles in a high school game ... ran a 10.5-second 100 meters as a prepster.

 

2004 Nagurski Trophy Winner (Best Defensive Player) and Butkus Award Winner (Best LB).

 

B-E-A-S-T!!!!!!!!

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I am pretty sure you can forget about him. Angelo has said that he has 3 needs offensively to fill in the draft and free agency. He did not mention those needs but did say one has been filled with the acquisition of Mushin Muhammed. Maybe 2 of those needs was at WR and the other OT. Maybe one was a WR, another a TE, and another an OT. I really don't know, but I do know Angelo has loved Mike Williams since last year. He also likes RB Ronnie Brown and WR Braylon Edwards. If I was to guess I would say it would be one of those three guys.

[SoxFan1]

How do you know all this southside???

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 01:58 AM)

How do you know all this southside???

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By listening to Angelo speak. I listen to a lot of sports talk radio and he interviews a lot. He has interviewed a lot recently the last 4 to 5 days.

[Chisoxfn]

So, Williams is out of the picture. OL is out of the picture. Benson is 75% out of the picture. It's down to, like I said, Braylon, Ronnie and Derrick.

Dead on. Of course I think Benson will be the Bears selection if available, but there is a good shot he's gone when the Bears pick.

 

Mike Williams = NO Chance. I personally wouldn't mind the Bears moving down for a team wanting Braylon because Williamson is a WR I'm really intrigued with. Projects in the mid 1st round and had stellar 40 times and the Bears still need that speed receiver.

 

Right now I'd be happy with any of Braylon, Ronnie, Derrick, Antrelle Rolle, or Benson.

 

However, for whatever reason part of me thinks the Bears could shock the world and grab one of the QB's if they are there and impress them. Don't know if Alex Smith goes quite that early though and Rodgers has to be going to San Fran.

[WHarris1]

I doubt Smith gets passed Miami AND Cleveland, JMO.

[DBAHO]

Plus isn't Miami said to be the front runner for RB LaMont Jordan in free agency? I believe that is what I heard. They have a number of holes to fill and not that many draft picks. If they can get a player like LaMont Jordan to play RB for them they can use the draft pick on other needs or trade it.

The Raiders are most likely going to sign Jordan as their feature back after they trade Woodson.

[Chisoxfn]

I know one thing, my #1 choice is Williams because I think the guy is gonna be an absolute stud. Think Derrick Brooks. I freaking love the idea of him, Url and Briggs.

 

However I think Johnson is the Browns top choice and Benson is probably the Dolphins top choice at this point with Rodgers going to the Niners.

 

Which would mean Alex Smith is there at 4. But so is Braylon who I like quite a bit and I think Ronnie Brown can possibly be a Marshall Faulk type back.

[DBAHO]

I know one thing, my #1 choice is Williams because I think the guy is gonna be an absolute stud.  Think Derrick Brooks.  I freaking love the idea of him, Url and Briggs.

Uhhhh Williams ain't a LB there Jason.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:21 AM)

The Raiders are most likely going to sign Jordan as their feature back after they trade Woodson.

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I would bet that you are wrong. They have to get rid of Woodson just to be able to fit Moss under the salary cap. There is no way they will be able to afford Jordan as well.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:16 AM)

Dead on.  Of course I think Benson will be the Bears selection if available, but there is a good shot he's gone when the Bears pick. 

 

Mike Williams = NO Chance.  I personally wouldn't mind the Bears moving down for a team wanting Braylon because Williamson is a WR I'm really intrigued with.  Projects in the mid 1st round and had stellar 40 times and the Bears still need that speed receiver. 

 

Right now I'd be happy with any of Braylon, Ronnie, Derrick, Antrelle Rolle, or Benson.

 

However, for whatever reason part of me thinks the Bears could shock the world and grab one of the QB's if they are there and impress them.  Don't know if Alex Smith goes quite that early though and Rodgers has to be going to San Fran.

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I highly doubt Antrelle Rolle goes ahead of Pac-Man Jones.

[Chisoxfn]

Uhhhh Williams ain't a LB there Jason. 

Meant Derrick Johnson.

[DBAHO]

I would bet that you are wrong. They have to get rid of Woodson just to be able to fit Moss under the salary cap. There is no way they will be able to afford Jordan as well.

They're going to release some other players as well such as Parella, Sapp and Washington possibly. Norv Turner is insistent on getting a power RB, and they want Jordan.

 

The Raiders appear to be ''closing in'' on a free agent running back, likely LaMont Jordan.

Varying rumors have Travis Henry or Jordan heading to Oakland. Whoever they pick as their running back will be an attractive RB2 type next season.

[AddisonStSox]

I don't know what Angelo is going to do, but I know what he should do.

 

Angelo needs to take a serious look at both Johnson and Rolle at the #4 slot. As has been stated on this board many times, Johnson is a rare talent. His athletic ability at his position is unmatched in this year's and last year's draft. Rolle is also a standout, lockdown corner. I have no doubt in my mind that Rolle will excel in this league and join the elite status in two year's time.

 

Now with the addition of Mushin, Angelo has a little bit more play with that #4 selection. If he wants to draft Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards, he'll have one of the better WR cores in the NFC. If he is dead-set on offense and sees Benson or Brown (which I highly doubt) he'll also have to give them a look.

 

If I were Angelo, I'd take Rolle or Johnson with the #4 pick, and draft Frank Gore or another RB in the later rounds. Looking at the RB class, there is talent from top to bottom. A few more names to watch: Ryan Moats (LT), Kay-Jay Harris (WVU) and Morrency (Okl. St).

 

That said: if Brown is there at #4...uh-oh.

[Chisoxfn]

Sapp isn't going to be cut. I don't think it would be cap friendly to do so.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:48 AM)

I don't know what Angelo is going to do, but I know what he should do.

 

Angelo needs to take a serious look at both Johnson and Rolle at the #4 slot.  As has been stated on this board many times, Johnson is a rare talent.  His athletic ability at his position is unmatched in this year's and last year's draft.  Rolle is also a standout, lockdown corner.  I have no doubt in my mind that Rolle will excel in this league and join the elite status in two year's time.

 

Now with the addition of Mushin, Angelo has a little bit more play with that #4 selection.  If he wants to draft Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards, he'll have one of the better WR cores in the NFC.  If he is dead-set on offense and sees Benson or Brown (which I highly doubt) he'll also have to give them a look.

 

If I were Angelo, I'd take Rolle or Johnson with the #4 pick, and draft Frank Gore   or another RB in the later rounds.  Looking at the RB class, there is talent from top to bottom.  A few more names to watch: Ryan Moats (LT), Kay-Jay Harris (WVU) and Morrency (Okl. St).

 

That said: if Brown is there at #4...uh-oh.

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Why would you take Rolle or Johnson when you have corners like Peanut, Vasher, Azumah, McQuarters. I really dont think that is a necessity or the weak point of the team. Frank Gore sucks by the way. Not only is he one of the slowest backs in the draft, but he can't ever stay healthy. He was much better before all those knee surgeries. He will be lucky to get drafted.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:35 AM)

They're going to release some other players as well such as Parella, Sapp and Washington possibly. Norv Turner is insistent on getting a power RB, and they want Jordan.

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Ok then I say whichever back Oakland doesn't get Miami will. Miami will chose either RB Henry or Jordan.