Butter Parque Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I haven't seen many Bulls games this year, how has Chris Duhon done? Is he almost as good as Ben Gordon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(Butter Parque @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 06:29 PM) I haven't seen many Bulls games this year, how has Chris Duhon done? Is he almost as good as Ben Gordon? No, not even close. A 34% FG% is laughable, but he has shot better the last 10 games (40%). Duhon is a good back-up PG, why he's starting on a NBA team is anybody's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 The reason he is starting on an NBA team is becuase he does the small things that the common fan doesn't notice. He pressures the ball on defense. Makes smart decisions. Leads the offense. Busts his ass. He isn't near the talent of Gordon but Chris is playing a HUGE role on this Bulls team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 yeah Duhon is basicly the PG of the team since Kirk kind of been converted to a SG..... His shooting has gotten better as the season progresses and he is a good passer and creates shots for his teamates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted February 28, 2005 Author Share Posted February 28, 2005 Wow, i was right on with what I thought he would be: Not much of a shooter Pressure defender Quarterback of the offense Good Hustler Coaches Dream Good for Chris!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 He is really coming along as a shooter thought. He started out shooting like 20% or something awful but his jumper is starting to fall now. Even without it I'm fine with him starting at the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(mac9001 @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 06:39 PM) No, not even close. A 34% FG% is laughable, but he has shot better the last 10 games (40%). Duhon is a good back-up PG, why he's starting on a NBA team is anybody's guess. Are the bulls winning games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Just to point out: Duhon averages 10.3 PPG per 48 min while the opposing PG averages (when Duhon is on the floor) 20.7 PPG per 48 min Now, that is probably a little skewed since the Bulls play a decent amount of zone, but he's clearly being out produced by opposing PGs. The rest of his and opponent production if your interested: http://www.82games.com/04CHI2C.HTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Duhon isn't a scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Qwerty, the answer is yes. I could care less who starts and who plays 1 second a game, as long as the W's are getting racked up. Duhon is one of those great players you'll never see anything on the scoresheet with him. He leads the team as a PG, hits open shots, passes the ball well, plays great D, and shows he can be a leader on the court. That is why he is starting and one of the reasons the Bulls are winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(mac9001 @ Feb 27, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) Just to point out: Duhon averages 10.3 PPG per 48 min while the opposing PG averages (when Duhon is on the floor) 20.7 PPG per 48 min Now, that is probably a little skewed since the Bulls play a decent amount of zone, but he's clearly being out produced by opposing PGs. The rest of his and opponent production if your interested: http://www.82games.com/04CHI2C.HTM Good point guards to not score points, they allow their team to score a lot of points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 He's definitely earning his playing time with his hustle and smart decisions...both things that I wanna see from Eddy and Tyson... Once Ben learns how to play D, Duhon will be a solid back-up for Hinrich and his scary shooting %... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 (edited) All i could think of while reading this thread is Duhon wincing Edited February 28, 2005 by IlliniKrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:06 AM) He's definitely earning his playing time with his hustle and smart decisions...both things that I wanna see from Eddy and Tyson... Once Ben learns how to play D, Duhon will be a solid back-up for Hinrich and his scary shooting %... You really have something against chandler. He does not hustle or make smart decisions? Hm... wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:06 AM) He's definitely earning his playing time with his hustle and smart decisions...both things that I wanna see from Eddy and Tyson... Once Ben learns how to play D, Duhon will be a solid back-up for Hinrich and his scary shooting %... Are you watching games or reading box scores? Tyson needs to hustle? You are kidding right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) Are you watching games or reading box scores? Tyson needs to hustle? You are kidding right? Unfortunately, no, he's not kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) Unfortunately, no, he's not kidding. There are a lot of ways to rip Tyson's game. That is the absolute LAST thing you could say about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 The hustle part was meant for Eddy... I'm sorry, guys. Sometimes what I'm seeing from Tyson is misguided hustle, but I do give him credit for playing hard. He just looks so awkward when he gets the ball... I'm a Bulls fan and I like both of those guys, but to me, they're still huge disappointments. You don't trade a former number one to for a 2nd pick that can't score. He just looks so awkward, as I stated above, when he gets the ball within the offense...Learning ONE post move isn't too much to ask for. It's a necessity if you want to start in the NBA. Don't give me the Rodman argument 'cause there's no Jordan averaging 30 or Pippen averaging 20 on this team...And as much as I wasn't a fan of Rodman, he knew the game well and did a lot more of the little things that you guys want to say Tyson does, and he did it better. And YES, he does make simple mental mistakes, although Eddy is a lot worse. YES, the ball seems to slip through his hands sometimes. You have to admit his hands aren't great. I'm watching the games and calling it as I see it... There's still a long way to go, but I'm liking the improvements. My only fear is...is this the best the 2 of them can do? Have they reached their peak? Will Eddy ever rebound and play defense? Is Tyson going to get any better?...I want them to keep improving... Let's not forget this is a contract year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I don't follow enough basketball to say I have any true knowledge of this at all, however, I have seen someone on here...maybe Hammerhead...compare Tyson Chandler to Ben Wallace. I think anyone would take Ben Wallace down low defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 11:24 PM) I don't follow enough basketball to say I have any true knowledge of this at all, however, I have seen someone on here...maybe Hammerhead...compare Tyson Chandler to Ben Wallace. I think anyone would take Ben Wallace down low defensively. I have Ben Wallace down as one of the Top 10 Defensive Players since the early 60s. The guy is a legend. That said, Chandler is a monster in the making (a 2nd Team All-NBA defender right now IMO) who may come close to Ben Wallace status by the time he peaks in 5 or 6 years from now. Our key to success this season has been FG% differential, or rather, FG% allowed. Chandler is a huge part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 = ...or am I way off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 06:45 PM) I have Ben Wallace down as one of the Top 10 Defensive Players since the early 60s. The guy is a legend. That said, Chandler is a monster in the making (a 2nd Team All-NBA defender right now IMO) who may come close to Ben Wallace status by the time he peaks in 5 or 6 years from now. Our key to success this season has been FG% differential, or rather, FG% allowed. Chandler is a huge part of that. Well you know i agree with you about him 100%. But why do you think it will take 5-6 years to reach the level of ben wallace? Give him the minutes wallace does right now and he will do what wallace does, if not very close to him. Offensively he is already clearly superior ( even though it doesn't matter much). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Duhon does a good job and his offense has been steadily improving. The problem is Duhon still is young and obviously has to learn, but he is a good defensive point guard at this point and should only get better, imo. I don't ever think he'll be a star, but he is a TRUE point guard and as BG develops he'll look really nice coming off the bench spelling both Hinrich and Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) Well you know i agree with you about him 100%. But why do you think it will take 5-6 years to reach the level of ben wallace? Give him the minutes wallace does right now and he will do what wallace does, if not very close to him. Offensively he is already clearly superior ( even though it doesn't matter much). Well, IMO, Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace are the two best defensive power forwards of all time. When all is said and done, Chandler could be up there with both of them. I keep having to remind myself that Chandler is only 22. The best is yet to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 01:23 PM) Duhon does a good job and his offense has been steadily improving. The problem is Duhon still is young and obviously has to learn, but he is a good defensive point guard at this point and should only get better, imo. I don't ever think he'll be a star, but he is a TRUE point guard and as BG develops he'll look really nice coming off the bench spelling both Hinrich and Gordon. The problem is, is Skiles ever going to start Hinrich and Gordon together? They'll get abused defensively against bigger guards especially come playoff time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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