New Rap War?

[hammerhead johnson]

And Hammerhead,

 

They say they are more talented then 50.

 

It would be like saying,

 

Im better than Billy Koch.

 

Then I respond with:

 

Why arent you in the minors even?

 

And you respond with:

 

Well they would laugh at me if I showed up at a training camp, but I swear Im really really good, I just wont prove it, and will sit behind my computer screen claiming that Im god.

 

If your gonna argue atleast have the decency to make applicable points. Otherwise I can make straw man arguments to.

 

SB

 

You might want to review this thread, because I responded to the garbage that YOU typed before anyone ever said that they were a better writer or rapper than 50 Cent.

 

In fact, 3E8 said 50% of the posters on here could write better lyrics than 50 Cent after you made that initial post. LCR made use of the good old hyperbole, but he never actually said that he was better than 50 cent at anything.

 

You came with the same tired argument that I've heard thousands of times throughout my life. You can't criticize Will Perdue because you ain't never played in the NBA!

 

50 Cent sucks? Wow, well, how many records have you sold lately???? :headshake

[Soxbadger]

Lowercase,

 

50 has made exactly 1 album, some of it is just to sell records, some of it is high quality. The same can be said about Jay-Z "I know they gone criticize the hook on this song" straight from Money, Cash, Hoes.

 

Also, a band called the Beatles, first album was pretty vanilla. Love love me do, etc and so on.

 

As opposed to these 50 cent lyrics which show talent:

 

Comin up I was confused my momma kissin a girl

Confusion occurs comin up in the cold world

Daddy ain't around probably out commitin felonies

My favorite rapper used to sing ch-check out my melody

I wanna live good, so should I sell dope for a fo-finger ring

Money and them gold ropes

Santa told me if I pass could get a sheep skin coat

If I can move a few packs and get the hat, now that'd be dope

Tossed and turned in my sleep at night

Woke up the next morning n****s done stole my bike

Different day same s***, ain't nothing good in the hood

I'd run away from this b**** and never come back if I could

 

 

...

 

Notice how this song is not in the gangster mentality. It takes on real problems of the hood.

 

1) His father was not around (out committing felonies) showing the importance of a male role model for young children, even 50 cent.

 

2) He was living in poverty and had to make his own money to get things he wanted. Arguably selling drugs is a bad thing, but it shows that he had to make his own way, and that no one was going to give him anything.

 

3) Aint nothing good in the hood. Deglamorizes the hood mentality, showing that while rappers may sing about it, if he had his choice he would not live there.

 

But then again, you probably have heard;

 

In the Club, Candy Shop, and the rest of the crap they play on the radio.

 

(EDIT)

 

I'm sure an 8 year old with Downs could write the lyrics for an entire 50 Cent album

 

Hammerhead, this is an implied statement that the poster could write better lyrics than 50 cent. Since an 8 year old with downs could not post on this board or even write a coherent statement, it is saying that everyone on this board can write better lyrics than 50. It is that statement that I responded to.

 

As for its hyperbolic character, perhaps it was, perhaps it was not. I stand by my statement that those who say they can rap better than 50 are mistaken, and it is not as easy as they claim.

 

To those who just have an opinion that 50 sucks, thats fine. Everyone is entiteld to their opinion, thats not the point Im trying to make. The point is, its very easy to say some one has no talent and that you can do better, but it is much harder to actually go out there and do it.

 

SB

Edited March 1, 2005 by Soxbadger

[hammerhead johnson]

Also, a band called the Beatles, first album was pretty vanilla. Love love me do, etc and so on.

 

Well that's a load of crap. Their first album is a masterpiece.

 

As opposed to these 50 cent lyrics which show talent:

 

Comin up I was confused my momma kissin a girl

Confusion occurs comin up in the cold world

Daddy ain't around probably out commitin felonies

My favorite rapper used to sing ch-check out my melody

I wanna live good, so should I sell dope for a fo-finger ring

Money and them gold ropes

Santa told me if I pass could get a sheep skin coat

If I can move a few packs and get the hat, now that'd be dope

Tossed and turned in my sleep at night

Woke up the next morning n****s done stole my bike

Different day same s***, ain't nothing good in the hood

I'd run away from this b**** and never come back if I could

 

Notice how this song is not in the gangster mentality. It takes on real problems of the hood.

 

His favorite rapper was excellent, but these lyrics are f***ing terrible. How can you listen to that crap with a straight face? I thought you were like 23 years old??????

[hammerhead johnson]

His favorite rapper was excellent

 

50 Cent's favorite rapper is Rakim, and here are the lyrics for "My Melody" (Ch-Check Out My Melody reference)

 

Turn up the bass, check out my melody, hand out a cigar

I'm lettin knowledge be born, and my name's the r

A-k-i-m not like the rest of them, i'm not on a list

That's what i'm sayin, i drop science like a scientist

My melody's in a code, the very next episode

Has the mic often distortin, ready to explode

I keep the mic in fahrenheit, freeze mc's and make em colder

The listener's system is kickin like solar

As i memorize, advertise, like a poet

Keep you goin when i'm flowin, smooth enough, you know it

But rough that's why the middle of my story i tell e.b.

Nobody beats the "r", check out my melody...

 

Verse two:

 

So what if i'm a microphone fiend addicted soon as i sing

One of these for mc's so they don't have to scream

I couldn't wait to take the mic, flow into it to test

Then let my melody play, and then the record suggest

That i'm droppin bombs, but i stay peace and calm

Any mc that disagree with me just wave your arm

And i'll break, when i'm through breakin i'll leave you broke

Drop the mic when i'm finished and watch it smoke

So stand back, you wanna rap? all of that can wait

I won't push, i won't beat around the bush

I wanna break upon those who are not supposed to

You might try but you can't get close to

Because i'm number one, competition is none

I'm measured with the heat that's made by sun

Whether playin ball or bobbin in the hall

I just writin my name in graffiti on the wall

You shouldn't have told me you said you control me

So now a contest is what you owe me

Pull out your money, pull out your cut

Pull up a chair, and i'ma tear s*** up

My name is rakim allah, and r & a stands for "ra"

Switch it around, but still comes out "r"

So easily will i e-m-c-e-e

My repetition of words is "check out my melody"

Some bass and treble is moist, scratchin and cuttin a voice

And when it's mine that's when the rhyme is always choice

I wouldn't have came to ?set? my name ?around the? same weak s***

Puttin blurs and slurs and words that don't fit

In a rhyme, why waste time on the microphone

I take this more serious than just a poem

Rockin party to party, backyard to yard

Now tear it up, y'all, and bless the mic for the gods

 

 

Verse three:

 

The rhyme is rugged, at the same time sharp

I can swing off anything even a string of a harp

Just turn it on and start rockin, mind no introduction

Til i finish droppin science, no interruption

When i approach i exercise like a coach

Usin a melody and add numerous notes

With the mic and the r-a-k-i-m

It's a task, like a match i will strike again

Rhymes are poetically kept and alphabetically stepped

Put in order to pursue with the momentum except

I say one rhyme and i order a longer rhyme shorter

A pause, but don't stop the tape recorder

 

Verse four:

 

I'm not a regular competitor, first rhyme editor

Melody arranger, poet, etcetera

Extra events, the grand finale like bonus

I am the man they call the microphonist

With wisdom which means wise words bein spoken

Too many at one time watch the mic start smokin

I came to express the rap i manifest

Stand in my way and i'll lead a ??? words protest

Mc's that wanna be dissed they're gonna

Be dissed if they don't get from in fronta

All they can go get is me a glass of moet

A hard time, sip your juice and watch a smooth poet

I take 7 mc's put em in a line

And add 7 more brothas who think they can rhyme

Well, it'll take 7 more before i go for mine

And that's 21 mc's ate up at the same time

Easy does it, do it easy, that's what i'm doin

No fessin, no messin around, no chewin

No robbin, no buyin, bitin, why bother

This slob'll stop tryin fightin to follow

My unusual style will confuse you a while

If i was water, i flow in the nile

So many rhymes you won't have time to go for your's

Just because of a cause i have to pause

Right after tonight is when i prepare

To catch another sucka duck mc out there

Cos my strategy has to be tragedy, catastrophe

And after this you'll call me your majesty

My melody...

 

 

 

That's the type of hip hop that I respect, right there. Too bad that 50 Cent couldn't learn anything from his "favorite rapper".

[Soxbadger]

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

SOMEONE TO LOVE

SOMEBODY NEW

SOMEONE TO LOVE

SOMEONE LIKE YOU

 

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

 

Those lyrics rock 50, I can see why you would call the first Beatles album a masterpiece.

 

::shrugs::

 

Its personal preference, what I find to be trailblazing, you seem to think is crap. Also generally I like songs with good beats, and the lyrics are secondary.

 

I dont think 50 is even one of the top 10 writers today, probably I could name 50 depending on if we are counting "alive" or whether or not they produce new albums.

 

I just dont see how "Love me Do" is any more or less than "In Da Club".

 

They are entertainers and their goal is entertainment, not to write essays and books.

 

(EDIT)

 

Did I say 50 was better than Rakim?

 

Itd be like saying Shyne is better than Biggie, or Puff Daddy could take KRS One.

 

SB

Edited March 1, 2005 by Soxbadger

[hammerhead johnson]

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

SOMEONE TO LOVE

SOMEBODY NEW

SOMEONE TO LOVE

SOMEONE LIKE YOU

 

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

Those lyrics rock 50, I can see why you would call the first Beatles album a masterpiece.

 

::shrugs::

 

 

That''s just one particular track from that album, and yes, the lyrics for this particular track are very basic.

 

Tell me something, honestly. Are you familiar with any of the other songs from "Please Please Me"? Because I have my doubts.

[kapkomet]

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

 

SOMEONE TO LOVE

SOMEBODY NEW

SOMEONE TO LOVE

SOMEONE LIKE YOU

 

LOVE, LOVE ME DO

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU

I´LL ALWAYS BE TRUE

SO PLEASE,LOVE ME DO

OH,LOVE ME DO

Those lyrics rock 50, I can see why you would call the first Beatles album a masterpiece.

 

::shrugs::

 

Its personal preference, what I find to be trailblazing, you seem to think is crap. Also generally I like songs with good beats, and the lyrics are secondary.

 

I dont think 50 is even one of the top 10 writers today, probably I could name 50 depending on if we are counting "alive" or whether or not they produce new albums.

 

I just dont see how "Love me Do" is any more or less than "In Da Club".

 

They are entertainers and their goal is entertainment, not to write essays and books.

 

(EDIT)

 

Did I say 50 was better than Rakim?

 

Itd be like saying Shyne is better than Biggie, or Puff Daddy could take KRS One.

 

SB

Now you're talking, SB. (Had to post that).

 

But, ripping on people that are joking about something is what I had a problem with.

 

And the stats about rap, they buy it because of the shock value, IMO. But that's purely IMO.

[southsider2k5]

That''s just one particular track from that album, and yes, the lyrics for this particular track are very basic.

 

Tell me something, honestly.  Are you familiar with any of the other songs from "Please Please Me"?  Because I have my doubts.

 

I am pretty close to knowing about every word the Beatles ever recorded, and there were MUCH better tracks on Please Please Me. Here is a good link about the songs complete with lyrics.

 

http://www.iamthebeatles.com/article1002.html

[hammerhead johnson]

Did I say 50 was better than Rakim?

 

Nope. I just find it interesting that such a horses*** rapper would admit that his favorite MC is Rakim.

 

Rakim was never one to incorporate topics of immediate gratification into his lyrics.

[southsider2k5]

I am pretty close to knowing about every word the Beatles ever recorded, and there were MUCH better tracks on Please Please Me.  Here is a good link about the songs complete with lyrics.

 

http://www.iamthebeatles.com/article1002.html

 

Oh shoot, I just realized whose post I replied to

[Soxbadger]

Hammerhead,

 

Good you get my point.

 

If you take 1 track, or a few songs and then use that to describe the artist as a whole, you can pretty much make whatever point you want.

 

Now would I say the whole Beatles collection versus 50 would be a good comparison?

 

Of course not, but you could make the same arguments about the Beatles as you could about 50.

 

They wrote songs to sell them to start, and then they began to write songs for themselves later on.

 

You cant start off at the White Album and Abbey Road, and then move back towards mainstream.

 

Very rarely do artists start off non-mainstream, so 50 made a mainstream album cause otherwise he would of probably sold thousands compared to millions.

 

The point of his industry is to sell records, in that regard he did a pretty good job.

 

SB

[3E8]

SB,

 

This isn't

 

high school english

 

compostion.

 

Your double

 

spaced type is

 

making me dizzy.

 

3E8

[Yoda]

You guys can't get enough of 50? Check out his new album cover...

 

[Goldmember]

SB,

 

This isn't

 

high school english

 

compostion.

 

Your double

 

spaced type is

 

making me dizzy.

 

3E8

 

come on now, dont knock the man's style.

 

besides if it were high school english comp, shouldn't the four sentences in the middle of his reply be combined into one paragraph.

[Soxbadger]

On another board I post at I was asked to put more spaces in my posts because it was to hard to read long paragraphs.

 

::shrugs::

 

After a few years it just became the way I write on the internet because its easier for people to read. If you like though I will not hit enter and just post longer paragraphs so that there will be a greater chance that my words will be misread and my ideas missed.

 

Its no skin off my teeth.

 

SB

[Steff]

You guys can't get enough of 50? Check out his new album cover...

 

 

 

 

Pfffttt... should have included his gun shot scars... he just lost all street cred with me. :rolly

[shagar69]

for u guys who think that you can write lyrics better than 50 cent or for that matter any body with a record deal, LOL, r u f***in joking? 50 is very talented lyrically. but of course u can criticize him. Nothin wrong with that. And yes, I like him, but I will admit that all this s*** hes doin about dissin everybody in rap and proclaiming that he got shot 9 times is ridiculous. But look at it from his point of view: wouldnt you keep doin the s*** that he's doin if your debut album sold 11 million copies and made u filthy rich?

[Controlled Chaos]

for u guys who think that you can write lyrics better than 50 cent or for that matter any body with a record deal, LOL, r u f***in joking? 50 is very talented lyrically. but of course u can criticize him. Nothin wrong with that.  And yes, I like him, but I will admit that all this s*** hes doin about dissin everybody in rap and proclaiming that he got shot 9 times is ridiculous.  But look at it from his point of view: wouldnt you keep doin the s*** that he's doin if your debut album sold 11 million copies and made u filthy rich?

 

yo did you check out my oratorical fireworks....I was off the hizzy fo shizzy...

[Steff]

yo did you check out my oratorical fireworks....I was off the hizzy fo shizzy...

 

 

LMAO CC....

 

 

Word..

[Soxbadger]

Regardless of your skills Chaos, you have to be given respect for that fact that you were willing to post that and put up with any potentia criticism that came with it.

 

SB

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Lots of shrugging going on...

 

It's all MTV hype that suburban white kids are spending their allowance on. 50 piggy-backed off of eminem. eminem was hyped up for being white, and has basically been more about the hype than the actual product...

 

I liken them to cubs "fans" who know nothing about baseball but crown the urinal because it's the "cool" and fashionable yuppy north-sider thing to do...

 

Most mainstream rappers suck. eminem and 50 are horrible.

 

You have to go below the mainstream, or maybe a Kanye West-type, to find the better talent...

[LosMediasBlancas]

You guys can't get enough of 50? Check out his new album cover...

 

 

He's put on mass since his last disc, he must be juicin'.

[flippedoutpunk]

Anybody know (Flippedoutpunk?) why The Game is getting dropped so soon? 

 

Supposedly, what i have heard was that g-unit does not like that Game did a song with Nas recently..

[KipWellsFan]

Can't we all just agree that 99% of guys like 50 Cent, Young Buck and Fabolous are overpaid assholes!

[kapkomet]

Kip, for once, I agree with you.

 

(sarcasm intended)