YASNY Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Nobody has accused Frank Thomas of anything, so he doesn't need to "prove those bastards wrong." Throughout this whole steroid issue, from the very beginning, even before it became a big "story", Thomas has been outspoken in his disdain for the guys that used them and was vocal in how much of a disadvantage he was facing when trying to compete with the users. My guess is the congress wants Frank Thomas to hear the story from that perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Frank's being called as nothing more than someone that can give, or shoot down, credibility to Jose's stories. Jose and Frank were more than just casual friends at one point. I'm sure they just want to ask him about that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 4, 2005 -> 05:40 AM) Frank's being called as nothing more than someone that can give, or shoot down, credibility to Jose's stories. Jose and Frank were more than just casual friends at one point. I'm sure they just want to ask him about that time. Steff, I think he’d be ‘victim’ type witness, the congressmen always trot out a couple of these when they stage a sensational hearing. But I doubt Frank’s the sort to be sobbing for the cameras like Sally Struthers, crying over his lost MVP. No good can come from this; steroid testing is a reality, the battle is already over. Frank Thomas shouldn’t go unless he is subpoenaed. He has nothing to do with it, let Waxman get on TV by leeching off of someone else’s fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Canseco will probably show up, maybe Frank, maybe SChilling, but that's probably it. Sosa will say he can't, due to spring training. McGwire will issue some statement about moving on. And why wouldn't Bonds be invited to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 QUOTE(TLAK @ Mar 4, 2005 -> 07:33 AM) Steff, I think he’d be ‘victim’ type witness, the congressmen always trot out a couple of these when they stage a sensational hearing. But I doubt Frank’s the sort to be sobbing for the cameras like Sally Struthers, crying over his lost MVP. No good can come from this; steroid testing is a reality, the battle is already over. Frank Thomas shouldn’t go unless he is subpoenaed. He has nothing to do with it, let Waxman get on TV by leeching off of someone else’s fame. I don't. I agree, he's not, and wouldn't. I disagree.. Frank should do anything he can to bring attention to the issue and show others, specifically kids comming up in college, how to do things the right way. Positive PR never hurts, and Arn will make sure Frank comes out smelling like a rose. He plays major league baseball. Major league baseball players are under investigation. Strong association there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 This was in Mariotti's column about it...I kind of laughed at this.. In a perfect world, all of these men would show up and spill their guts. The one who might is Thomas, who isn't in White Sox camp as his ankle slowly heals. Unlike the others, he never has been connected to steroids rumors and has bitterly criticized users. This would be a chance to detail what he knows and cast his career in a better light for Cooperstown consideration. Imagine Sosa testifying in the hot seat, followed by Thomas. C-SPAN could charge pay-per-view rates for that drama. Same goes for Giambi, who could use the hearing to describe the depth of his steroids use. Schilling, who has talked candidly about pitchers (not himself) using steroids, always is great theater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 While it would be great, in my opinion, for Thomas to show up on his own accord and tell what he knows and how he feels about steroids, you have to remember how strong the player's union is. One word from the union may put a kabash on Frank testifying. Now, if Frank told them behind the scenes to subpeona him, it might be a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 He should send a "sample" to testify for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 That does get me kinda upset that he has to testify for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I think you guys are getting this kind of wrong. Congress >>>>>> MLBPA Congress is the one that gives Baseball its anti-trust exemption. Congress can destroy the MLBPA with the snap of its fingers. If Congress asks some one to testify, the best policy if you are not worrying about 5th amendment self incrimination, is to testify. You do not want to start pissing in the wind with Congress. If I was Frank's agent, I would tell him to testify to Congress. By failing to testify, they will first conclude he is guilty, second will just subpeona whoever they want anyways. If you start off on the wrong foot, they will be much bigger jerks towards him. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Mar 4, 2005 -> 12:33 PM) I think you guys are getting this kind of wrong. Congress >>>>>> MLBPA Congress is the one that gives Baseball its anti-trust exemption. Congress can destroy the MLBPA with the snap of its fingers. If Congress asks some one to testify, the best policy if you are not worrying about 5th amendment self incrimination, is to testify. You do not want to start pissing in the wind with Congress. If I was Frank's agent, I would tell him to testify to Congress. By failing to testify, they will first conclude he is guilty, second will just subpeona whoever they want anyways. If you start off on the wrong foot, they will be much bigger jerks towards him. SB Actually, unless they subpeona Frank, they, Congress not >>>>>> MLBPA. Edited March 4, 2005 by YASNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 So Congress does not grant MLB's anti-trust exemption? Congress does not have the power to legislate laws? This is news to me. If MLBPA screws with Congress, Congress will just create a new law to screw MLBPA. Even with out a subpeona, MLBPA is under Congress's power, not the other way around. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Chances are the MLBPA will negotiate for a second day. That way people like Barry Bonds and Giambi and other tainted goods can testify on one day and the clean ones like Frank and the ones baseball wants to look clean like sosa will testify on the "Clean" day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Bonds wasn't invited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Mar 4, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) That does get me kinda upset that he has to testify for this. He doesn't have to do anything.. he was asked to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 3, 2005 -> 05:37 PM) I don't like Frank's name being mentioned with those guys no matter what it is. I just want him to stay clear of this whole f***ing mess. Everyone knows Thomas is on the straight and narrow. I personally would like to see him get up there and start ripping apart the jackasses who disgraced the good name of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Mar 4, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) So Congress does not grant MLB's anti-trust exemption? Congress does not have the power to legislate laws? This is news to me. If MLBPA screws with Congress, Congress will just create a new law to screw MLBPA. Even with out a subpeona, MLBPA is under Congress's power, not the other way around. SB I said nothing of the kind. Read carefully this time. Frank was invited to testify. That is not an order. He can decline to do so. If the MLBPA whispers in Frank's ear not to do so, he probably won't testify. Now then, if they want Thomas to testify, and they subpeona him, then yes they have the power to make him. Regardless of the wishes of the MLBPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Schilling's in a similar situation to Frank. So the following kind of proves my point. At Boston's camp in Fort Myers, Schilling said the call to testify was news to him and that he will consult with the union. "We'll see what happens," he said. "I have no idea what it's about." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Just a buzz... But apparently subpeona's are going to be issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 5, 2005 -> 07:05 AM) Just a buzz... But apparently subpeona's are going to be issued. Good. They should include Mr. Bonds with an invitation to the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 5, 2005 -> 07:06 AM) Good. They should include Mr. Bonds with an invitation to the party. The rumor is that the call to Bonds agent was responded with a rather stern "no, he is not intersted in attending" :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 5, 2005 -> 07:10 AM) The rumor is that the call to Bonds agent was responded with a rather stern "no, he is not intersted in attending" :rolly Oh. I'm sure Bonds can be "persuaded" to attend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 5, 2005 -> 07:05 AM) Just a buzz... But apparently subpeona's are going to be issued. I hope that is the way it goes down - a better chance of getting the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 If it was ever discovered that Frank, intentionally or unintentionally did steroids, I'd be crushed and never watch another game. If I was chairing the committee, and wanted to send a statement that steroids are bad, and grab some headlines, I'd want a victim to testify. Someone who worked hard, did it the right way, and was obviously screwed out of his due. Frank would be at the top of that list. Congressman and Congresswomen, fellow Americans, here is what good genetics and hard work will get you. This is the ultimate that these other guys could not get to, so they cheated. Mr. Thomas how do you feel, knowing you lost the 2000 MVP award to an admitted steroid user? If I was Frank, I'd be there and unload on a few guys. Frank has always been outspoken to a fault, please do not disappoint now big guy. "The honest will be rescued from harm, but those that are crooked will be destroyed." Proverbs 28:18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 5, 2005 -> 10:22 AM) If it was ever discovered that Frank, intentionally or unintentionally did steroids, I'd be crushed and never watch another game. If I was chairing the committee, and wanted to send a statement that steroids are bad, and grab some headlines, I'd want a victim to testify. Someone who worked hard, did it the right way, and was obviously screwed out of his due. Frank would be at the top of that list. Congressman and Congresswomen, fellow Americans, here is what good genetics and hard work will get you. This is the ultimate that these other guys could not get to, so they cheated. Mr. Thomas how do you feel, knowing you lost the 2000 MVP award to an admitted steroid user? If I was Frank, I'd be there and unload on a few guys. Frank has always been outspoken to a fault, please do not disappoint now big guy. "The honest will be rescued from harm, but those that are crooked will be destroyed." Proverbs 28:18 Great post Tex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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