Rap Fans

[hammerhead johnson]

OK, this definitely merits consideration.  The others, however, aren't nearly as strong.

 

To tell you the truth, I would probably rate their first album as the least impressive of the four.

 

But all of the b-sides and remixes that accompanied their first album? Terrific.

 

That's what makes De La Soul the kings of hip hop. They have 4 classic albums, and you could put together damn near two more albums worth of killer b-sides, remixes, and EP tracks.

[TheBigHurt35]

To tell you the truth, I would probably rate their first album as the least impressive of the four.

 

Well, then we'll just have to disagree on the grounds of personal taste.

 

That's what makes De La Soul the kings of hip hop.  They have 4 classic albums, and you could put together damn near two more albums worth of killer b-sides, remixes, and EP tracks.

 

"The kings of hip hop"? Wow, that's a pretty bold statement. They certainly are talented as hell, but I think that Run-DMC, LL, the Beasties, Tribe, Jay-Z, and OutKast have put out higher-quality work over roughly the same time span. Then again, that's just my personal opinion.

 

And speaking of the "King of Hip Hop," we would be remiss if we didn't mention Dre. Everything that he touches turns to gold (and usually platinum as well).

[False Alarm]

Well, then we'll just have to disagree on the grounds of personal taste.

"The kings of hip hop"?  Wow, that's a pretty bold statement.  They certainly are talented as hell, but I think that Run-DMC, LL, the Beasties, Tribe, Jay-Z, and OutKast have put out higher-quality work over roughly the same time span.  Then again, that's just my personal opinion.

 

And speaking of the "King of Hip Hop," we would be remiss if we didn't mention Dre.  Everything that he touches turns to gold (and usually platinum as well).

dude, dre's f***ing great, but he's done plenty of hack work too. dunno why you put so much value on album sales when evaluating an artist.

 

and just for the hell of it i'll throw out my opinion on what we're talking about: de la soul's better than everyone you listed there. i'll listen to arguments for run DMC or tribe over them (i did love the native tongues), but not the others.

[hammerhead johnson]

And speaking of the "King of Hip Hop," we would be remiss if we didn't mention Dre.  Everything that he touches turns to gold (and usually platinum as well).

 

I could never listen to gangster rap, though. Maybe when I was like 10 years old.

 

It's hard to buy into such a lowlife culture.

 

I can listen to plenty of songs that I can't personally relate to, however. Take this track from Organized Konfusion, titled "Stray Bullet".

 

Verse One: Pharoahe Monche

 

Let the trigger finger put the pressure to the mechanism

Which gives a response, for the automatic *bang*

Clip to release projectiles in single

file forcing me to ignite then travel

through the barrel, headed for the light

At the end of a tunnel, with no specific target in sight

Slow the flow like H2O water

Visualize, the scene of a homicide, a slaughter

No remorse for the course I take when you pull it

The result's a stray bullet

n****z who knew hit the ground runnin and stay down

Except for the kids who played on the playground

Cause for some little girl she'll never see

more than six years of life, trif-le-ing

When she fell from the seesaw

But umm wait, my course isn't over

Fled out of the other side of her head towards

a red, Range, Rover, then I ricochet

Fast past a brother's ass, oh damn, what that n**** say

"Aww f*** it", next target's Margaret's face *bang*

and I struck it

Now it's a flood of blood in circumfrence to her face

and an abundance of brains all over the street

Shame how we had to meet *bang*

Dashin, buckin, greet by f***in family

They follow behind me in a orderly fashion

Bashin through flesh I'm wild

Crashin through the doors of projects hallways

to deflect off of the tile

I'm coming for you little girl

Once inside I shatter your world

Swirl, no more dreams no hopes when I spray

You better pray, to the Pope or the Vatican

Before I go rat-tat-a-tat again

I'm mad again brother somebody's mother will be sad again

but, whose blue skies will turn grey

from the attack, of the Mac-11, I'm a stray, bullet

 

[Nobody seen s***, nobody heard it -- 4X]

 

Verse Two: Prince Poetry

 

Gun balls of fire, I'm travelling at higher speeds

to proceed to penetrate flesh, hitting the splint

after splitting the chest of a Queens fiend

Age of pagers shredded to pieces from the Glock 9

and it's hollow tips, it releases the polices

in back of the ambulance

Blood loss as I shift across your chest

Arrest, rupture, I mess up ya, slasher

shall I bust ya liver, faster, blood pours *bang*

Now it's up to the master, boom, as I crash open the doors

Thank me for spraying the operating room

The body still consumes me, doc had to remove me

Mmm lord, why do they use me? *bang*

I'm takin individual for keeps Hobbes

so peep the cops, in the ghetto bustin shots for props

And when I hit, s*** *bang bang bang bang*

Soon you forgets-me-not

Cops tried to explain to his pops what I done

I flip up the hollow tipper and I'm not the one

And as a human I'm the surprising one

Prince Po I flow the ripper, either way

you never, ever know how I'm coming

Metamorphasizing, rising in turbulence

Condensed into a bullet, pull it, now I'm making moves

With no sympathizing, uhh, so take a hit n****, sprint *bang*

Onto the scenario, I'm at a party with O

A lot of honies parlay and the DJ's playin the Fudge Pudge flow

Five n****z come up in the club for a rub

[*pop pop pop pop pop* *woman screams*]

Another hit, another struck

Here comes Mr. Stray Bullet

Five, the tip, getting my jollies from the screams of the ripped

in your chest, then I flip

Nip your liver, blood flowin like a river

Money starts to shiver then I give a delivery of burns

Bruises fake shoes is your renaissance

No response your moms is out cold

Figure I'm bigger takin your heart n**** at twenty years old

Stray Bullet

 

I listen to MCs (gift of gab, flow, production being a given) who chastise and mock that whole gangster mindstate, not those who advertise it.

 

I could never, ever, ever listen to MCs from the Dre camp (NWA to today), nor could I ever listen to anything that 50 Cent is trying to say.

 

I can't relate, plain and simple.

 

Personal taste? I guess. That's kind of an easy cop-out. Ya gotta step back and analyze just what in the f*** you're listening to. Otherwise, you're gonna be like 40, and you're gonna wonder what in the hell you were thinking back when you were in your mid-to-late teens/early twenties. Meanwhile, I'll be like 50 with De La Soul blasting in the background.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

I don't listen to alot of rap but Eminem and Kanye West both seem cool. However from what i've heard of 50 cent I don't get everyone slobbing all over his knob.

[TheBigHurt35]

I could never listen to gangster rap, though.  Maybe when I was like 10 years old. and simple.

 

Dre's production is absolutely top-notch and made stars of N.W.A., The D.O.C., Above The Law, Snoop, Eminem, 50 Cent, etc. He's the best, regardless of what you think of gangsta rap.

 

Personal taste?  I guess.  That's kind of an easy cop-out.  Ya gotta step back and analyze just what in the f*** you're listening to.  Otherwise, you're gonna be like 40, and you're gonna wonder what in the hell you were thinking back when you were in your mid-to-late teens/early twenties.  Meanwhile, I'll be like 50 with De La Soul blasting in the background.  

 

Personally, I prefer Tribe, the Beasties, OutKast, Common, and old school acts like Rakim and EPMD to gangsta rap. But I do listen to 50, Eminem, Ice Cube, etc. as well. Personal preference is just that, and those who call it a "cop-out" are nothing short of narrow-minded.

Edited March 6, 2005 by TheBigHurt35

[flippedoutpunk]

I could never, ever, ever listen to MCs from the Dre camp (NWA to today), nor could I ever listen to anything that 50 Cent is trying to say.

 

I can't relate, plain and simple.

 

That's cool, but i hope your not callin people like me simple just because we listen to gangster rap. i cant help where i grew up in or the lifestyle i lived back then i can actually relate to a lot of those songs and its interesting for me to hear these guys rap about how they lived their life when they were in close to the same position i was in

Edited March 6, 2005 by flippedoutpunk

[SoxFan1]

Anyone like Lil' Jon??? For some strange reason, his album, entitled ''Crunk Juice'' really get's the "juices" flowing. That song "Get Crunk" with Bo Hagon.......phew.

[shagar69]

Anyone like Lil' Jon??? For some strange reason, his album, entitled ''Crunk Juice'' really get's the "juices" flowing. That song "Get Crunk" with Bo Hagon.......phew.

I love In Da Club w/ R kelly and Luda. Roll Call is also badass

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(shagar69 @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 09:08 PM)

I love In Da Club w/ R kelly and Luda. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for reminding me to download that!

[flippedoutpunk]

Anyone like Lil' Jon??? For some strange reason, his album, entitled ''Crunk Juice'' really get's the "juices" flowing. That song "Get Crunk" with Bo Hagon.......phew.

 

i love lil jon not for his lyrical masterfulness, but the beats he makes are holy s*** his beats POUND in my cars system, enough for u to hear it from 2 blocks away no f***in joke

[greasywheels121]

Funny thing about Lil Jon is both of his parents are microbiologists and he went to a private school...

[shagar69]

Thanks for reminding me to download that!

yea, its amazing. Also check out Roll Call Ft. Ice Cube, Lovers and Friends Ft. Usher and Luda, and What U Gon Do

[flippedoutpunk]

yea, its amazing.  Also check out Roll Call Ft. Ice Cube, Lovers and Friends Ft. Usher and Luda, and What U Gon Do

 

also DL the What you gon do remix ft. pitbull & Daddy Yankee, f***in bad! its not ur fathers early 90s hip hop but it gets you goin pretty good

[santo=dorf]

I'd have to say Lil' Jon and Timbaland put out the best beats. I've been listening to "Who am I" by Twista a lot lately.

[shagar69]

I'd have to say Lil' Jon and Timbaland put out the best beats.  I've been listening to "Who am I" by Twista a lot lately.

yea, badass song. but the best beats are put out by Kanye and Dre

[flippedoutpunk]

yea, badass song. but the best beats are put out by Kanye and Dre

 

their all good IMO, i prefer lil jons over everyone elses though because of how they sound in my cars system.. Dre's beats are badass for when ur just cruisin around lookin for hookers

[shagar69]

their all good IMO, i prefer lil jons over everyone elses though because of how they sound in my cars system..  Dre's beats are badass for when ur just cruisin around lookin for hookers 

this is true, lol

[Pauly8509CWS]

Come on guys, youre missing the greatest rap album ever, BIG WILLIE STYLE- by Will Smith....god...

[The Critic]

As I make sure to mention every time I post in a hip-hop thread, my knowledge on the subject is pretty limited.

 

But these are some discs I own and love:

De La Soul - 3 Feet High And Rising - I like a lot of their other stuff ( I really liked the song they performed on Chappelle's Show ), but 3 Ft is the only one I own

3rd Bass - The Cactus Album - they were a bit cartoonish with their image, but I like that disc a lot

Dre - The Chronic - simply a great disc, IMO

Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet - another of my favorites, does anyone know if they have any "greatest hits" CDs available?

Ice T - OG Original Gangster - I also used to have Power, but it vanished somehow

 

I have a few more rap discs, but as you can see, my rap collection is limited and stuck in a very short time period...

[hammerhead johnson]

Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet - another of my favorites, does anyone know if they have any "greatest hits" CDs available?

 

That might be my favorite hip hop album, period.

 

Unless I'm missing something, they have yet to release a Greatest Hits disc.

 

They have one titled Greatest Misses, which is remixes, b-sides, and previously unreleased stuff. It came out back in 1992 IIRC.

 

I would definitely recommend their first two:

 

Can't Stop The Bum Rush 1986

It Takes A Nation Of Millions... 1988

[southsider2k5]

As I make sure to mention every time I post in a hip-hop thread, my knowledge on the subject is pretty limited.

 

But these are some discs I own and love:

De La Soul - 3 Feet High And Rising - I like a lot of their other stuff ( I really liked the song they performed on Chappelle's Show ), but 3 Ft is the only one I own

3rd Bass - The Cactus Album - they were a bit cartoonish with their image, but I like that disc a lot

Dre - The Chronic - simply a great disc, IMO

Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet - another of my favorites, does anyone know if they have any "greatest hits" CDs available?

Ice T - OG Original Gangster - I also used to have Power, but it vanished somehow

 

I have a few more rap discs, but as you can see, my rap collection is limited and stuck in a very short time period...

 

 

OG was probably my all time favorite rap CD. Mind over Matter has got to be one of the best written raps ever.

[The Bones]

Okay, I'm looking for suggestions on what hip hop albums I should check out. I am a huge Beastie Boys fan, especially Paul's Boutique & Check Your Head, and already have all their albums. I have Public Enemy's Nation of Millions & Fear of a Black Planet. I also like Outkast's Speakerboxxx/The Love Below & Stankonia. So, as you can tell I am more a fan of hip hop than gangsta rap.

 

Any ideas on what albums I might like, maybe some Run DMC? I was also thinking about getting Kanye's album, is that any good? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[hammerhead johnson]

OG was probably my all time favorite rap CD.  Mind over Matter has got to be one of the best written raps ever.

 

I actually have the Promo Instrumental 2LP set for that album. Only 1000 copies were pressed (for DJs and what not). It's some of the best production that I've ever heard, to this day. DJ Alladin was excellent in the late 80s/early 90s, but then he disappeared.

[hammerhead johnson]

Okay, I'm looking for suggestions on what hip hop albums I should check out. I am a huge Beastie Boys fan, especially Paul's Boutique & Check Your Head, and already have all their albums. I have Public Enemy's Nation of Millions & Fear of a Black Planet. I also like Outkast's Speakerboxxx/The Love Below & Stankonia. So, as you can tell I am more a fan of hip hop than gangsta rap.

 

Any ideas on what albums I might like, maybe some Run DMC? I was also thinking about getting Kanye's album, is that any good? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Here are my recommendations, through 1995. If an album is in my Top 25, it will be marked in bold.

 

1983-1987

RUN DMC- RUN DMC

RUN DMC- King Of Rock

RUN DMC- Raising Hell

Eric B & Rakim- Paid In Full

T LA Rock- The Lyrical King

Boogie Down Productions- Criminal Minded

EPMD- Strictly Business

Public Enemy- Yo! Bum Rush The Show

MC Shan- Down By Law

 

1988-1989

Krown Rulers- Paper Chase

Gangstarr- No More Mr. Nice Guy

Biz Markie- Goin' Off

Special Ed- Youngest In Charge

Eric B & Rakim- Follow The Leader

Public Enemy- It Takes A Nation Of Millions...

JVC Force- Doin' Damage

De La Soul- 3 Feet High And Rising

Kool G Rap- Road To The Riches

Big Daddy Kane- Long Live The Kane

EPMD- Unfinished Business

Jaz- Word To The Jaz

Ultramagnetic MCs- Critical Beatdown

Boogie Down Productions- By All Means Necessary

Boogie Down Productions- Ghetto Music: The Blueprint

Slick Rick- The Great Adventures

Lord Finesse- The Funky Technician

Bizzie Boys- Droppin It

Lakim Shabazz- Pure Righteousness

MC Shan- Born To Be Wild

ATCQ- People's Instinctive Travels

Low Profile- We're In This Together

 

1990-1992

Organized Konfusion- Organized Konfusion

Gangstarr- Step In The Arena

Gangstarr- Daily Operation

Main Source- Breakin Atoms

Public Enemy- Fear Of A Black Planet

De La Soul- De La Is Dead

KMD- Mr. Hood

ATCQ- Low End Theory

Brand Nubian- In God We Trust

Ultramagnetic MCs- Funk Your Head Up

Downtown Science- Downtown Science

Boogie Down Productions- Edutainment

Boogie Down Productions- Sex And Violence

Master Ace- Take A Look Around

Craig G- Now That's More Like It

K-Solo- Tell The World My Name

Diamond D- Stunts, Blunts & Hip Hop

Slick Rick- The Ruler's Back

Jaz- Ya Don't Stop

Lord Finesse- Return Of The Funky Man

EPMD- Business As Usual

EPMD- Business Never Personal

Eric B & Rakim- Let The Rhythm Hit Em

Eric B & Rakim- Don't Sweat The Technique

Special Ed- Legal

Hijack- The Horns Of Jericho

Freestyle Fellowship- To Whom It May Concern

Funkytown Pros- Reachin A Level Of Assassination

Del The Funky Homosapien- I Wish My Brother George Was Here

Common Sense- Can I Borrow A Dollar?

 

1993-1995

Leaders Of The New School- T.I.M.E.

ATCQ- Midnight Marauders

KRS ONE- Return Of The Boom Bap

Jeru The Damaja- The Sun Rises In The East

Gangstarr- Hard To Earn

Channel Live- Station Identification

Master Ace- Slaughterhouse

Organized Konfusion- Stress: The Extinction Agenda

Roots- Do You Want More???

O.C.- Word...Life

Artifacts- Between A Rock And A Hard Place

De La Soul- Buhloone Mindstate

Pharcyde- Bizarre Ride To The Pharcyde

Pharcyde- Labcabincalifornia

Freestyle Fellowship- Innercity Griots

Aceyalone- All Balls Don't Bounce

Del The Funky Homosapien- No Need For Alarm

Casual- Fear Itself

Souls Of Mischief- 93 Til Infinity

Common Sense- Resurrection

Large Professor- The Science

Cenobites- Cenobites

Edited March 7, 2005 by hammerhead johnson