South Side Fireworks Man Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 10, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) Joe's consistently a slow starter but seems to rise to the occassion when there's more at stake. Joe seems to do well after the team is already out of the playoff race. He's been declining over the years instead of improving. He's very slow with an uppercutting swing, just what the Sox are trying to get away from. Joe seems to be a human sleeping pill. He just brings everybody down with his loser body language. I don't think he has the heart of a champion. I used to be high on Crede, and I hope he can turn it around and become the player he seemed like he would be when he first came up from AAA. But he's had his chances, and I don't think he should be guaranteed a starting job unless he is impressive this ST. So far, he's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Fields iscoming up fast. Expect him to be in the MLB this season unless Crede get's the banana out of his ass. BTW, Crede played fairly early last season with all those clutch hits. I beleive he really started slumping in the middle of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Mar 11, 2005 -> 05:24 AM) The way things are going, I say Osuna at SS, Uribe at 3rd, and Crede can be a beer vendor. What makes you think Pablo Ozuna can be a starting SS in this league as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Mar 11, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) Fields iscoming up fast. Expect him to be in the MLB this season unless Crede get's the banana out of his ass. BTW, Crede played fairly early last season with all those clutch hits. I beleive he really started slumping in the middle of the season. He won't be up this season. He's starting the year down at B-Ham, and still has a lot of little things to work on before he's major league ready, such as his command of the strike zone, improving his BB/K ratio, and his fielding at 3rd. 2006 maybe, unless they decide to start him at Charlotte instead depending on what happens with Crede and free agent moves and trades etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Mar 10, 2005 -> 08:41 PM) What makes you think Pablo Ozuna can be a starting SS in this league as well? The way he is playing this spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Mar 11, 2005 -> 01:15 PM) The way he is playing this spring. Just beacuse a guy hits well in spring training, doesn't automatically make him a starting player. Using your method, Shingo wouldn't have even made the team last season. There's a reason Ozuna was in AAA for Philly last year, and has only played 65 major league games with an OBP under .300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Mar 10, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) The way he is playing this spring. I just love sample sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Mar 10, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) I just don't think Crede is ever going to be a big time player. He's just another in a long line of guys who starred in AAA, and are not good enough in The Show. What exactly has Ozuna done at the major league level to earn a starting spot? EDIT: Ah, I see qwert and DBaho have already taken care of this... Edited March 11, 2005 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 didnt Ozuna light up the mexican league up too..... i still think to begin the season Crede has to be the starting 3B and at the deadline if it doesnt look like he is improving than either switch Uribe to 3rd and Ozuna to SS(depending on if he is on the team and how he is doing) or trade for someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 11, 2005 Author Share Posted March 11, 2005 Wow. A 30 year old career minor league journeyman has a good week in hitter friendly Arizona and we are all set to replace a 2 time minor league MVP with him. I can see the logic in that. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Ozuna has talent guys, I wouldn't doubt that. However, no reason to get rid of Crede. Plus he's hitting good of late. Of course I can't make any of my usual bold predictions during ST since I won't be going till the very last week So for the next few weeks I should just move out to Chicago, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 11, 2005 -> 12:46 PM) Wow. A 30 year old career minor league journeyman has a good week in hitter friendly Arizona and we are all set to replace a 2 time minor league MVP with him. I can see the logic in that. :headshake Look the logic is based on two things. 1) Crede's no good. He's had his shot and has not delivered. A third basemen on a contending team is traditionally a solid hitter, if not a feared power hitter. Do you guys really think Crede is somehow going to turn into Troy Glaus or Adrian Beltre? I don't happen to think so. 2) Osuna at short and Uribe at third fits the Ozzie ball mode.The combination of these two on the left side of the infield is the best we have at this time based on what I've seen. Uribe is a much better hitter than Crede, and can field just as well if not better. Osuna has good speed, is having an impressive spring at the plate and at short and is a much better #9 hitter than Crede would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Mar 11, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) Look the logic is based on two things. 1) Crede's no good. He's had his shot and has not delivered. A third basemen on a contending team is traditionally a solid hitter, if not a feared power hitter. Do you guys really think Crede is somehow going to turn into Troy Glaus or Adrian Beltre? I don't happen to think so. 2) Osuna at short and Uribe at third fits the Ozzie ball mode.The combination of these two on the left side of the infield is the best we have at this time based on what I've seen. Uribe is a much better hitter than Crede, and can field just as well if not better. Osuna has good speed, is having an impressive spring at the plate and at short and is a much better #9 hitter than Crede would be. By adrian beltre do you mean crede will be a below average baseman his whole career until his contract year and asplode just like beltre? Because if that is what you are talking about i think it is very possible. How would he be a better nine hole hitter? For one i assume there would be a drop off in defense without both crede and uribe in the line-up. For two would you rather have a slightly higher average (because you sure as hell cannot expect him to hit .317) and say 15 to 20 less homeruns? You cannot just hand a thirty year old who has very limited major league experience the starting shortstop job. Edited March 11, 2005 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 I'm not as down on Crede as the rest of you but I do think he will be gone after the AS break. He's a Boras client w an 06 arbit date that has underperformed. No team wants to have deal with those contract negotiations. It's better to trade him. Crede hit 219 on the R last yr people. I think Ozuna at SS (Uribe at 3B) or Fields at 3B can manage better production than that. Hopefully Joe will have a great 2nd 1/2 so we can get some quality in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Mar 11, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) Look the logic is based on two things. 1) Crede's no good. He's had his shot and has not delivered. A third basemen on a contending team is traditionally a solid hitter, if not a feared power hitter. Do you guys really think Crede is somehow going to turn into Troy Glaus or Adrian Beltre? I don't happen to think so. 2) Osuna at short and Uribe at third fits the Ozzie ball mode.The combination of these two on the left side of the infield is the best we have at this time based on what I've seen. Uribe is a much better hitter than Crede, and can field just as well if not better. Osuna has good speed, is having an impressive spring at the plate and at short and is a much better #9 hitter than Crede would be. Sorry. Not to be an ass here, but I still find your logic flawed. Osuna's an age 30 journeyman minor leaguer. That slam dunks it right there imho. Forget what Crede has or hasn't done, he better now than Ozuna ever will be. Edited March 12, 2005 by YASNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Mar 12, 2005 -> 06:38 AM) Look the logic is based on two things. 1) Crede's no good. He's had his shot and has not delivered. A third basemen on a contending team is traditionally a solid hitter, if not a feared power hitter. Do you guys really think Crede is somehow going to turn into Troy Glaus or Adrian Beltre? I don't happen to think so. 2) Osuna at short and Uribe at third fits the Ozzie ball mode.The combination of these two on the left side of the infield is the best we have at this time based on what I've seen. Uribe is a much better hitter than Crede, and can field just as well if not better. Osuna has good speed, is having an impressive spring at the plate and at short and is a much better #9 hitter than Crede would be. What makes you think Pablo Ozuna is going to put up better numbers than Joe Crede, considering he's only played 65 major league games in his career? If he had any hope on being a good major league player, he would have caught on with another team already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Mar 12, 2005 -> 01:55 AM) What makes you think Pablo Ozuna is going to put up better numbers than Joe Crede, considering he's only played 65 major league games in his career? If he had any hope on being a good major league player, he would have caught on with another team already. Well, when was it found out that he was four years older than originally thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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