Psyched about the future

[JUGGERNAUT]

It's ok to dream as a fan of the Pale Hose right? Well I was just thinking what this team could look like in 06.

 

Rotation 06: Buehrle, Garcia, Hernandez, Vazquez, BMC

Rotation 07: Buerhle, Garcia, Vazquez, BMC, Honel

 

Both rotations could be ranked as the best in the AL both years.

The 07 Rotation will cost no more than 35M which will leave 45M for the field & the pen.

I fully expect the Sox to have a mid-80's payroll in 07 coming off one of two divisional crowns.

 

Field 07:

Fields at 3B, Uribe at SS, Igs at 2B, Gload/? 1B, AJP at C, ARow at CF, Sweeney at LF, Anderson at RF

 

Pen 07: Shingo, Marte, Hermanson, Vizcaino, + 3 more

 

Wow! We could be favored to win the Series in 2007!

[Melissa1334]

It's ok to dream as a fan of the Pale Hose right?  Well I was just thinking what this team could look like in 06. 

 

Rotation 06: Buehrle, Garcia, Hernandez, Vazquez, BMC

Rotation 07: Buerhle, Garcia, Vazquez, BMC, Honel

 

Both rotations could be ranked as the best in the AL both years. 

The 07 Rotation will cost no more than 35M which will leave 45M for the field & the pen.

I fully expect the Sox to have a mid-80's payroll in 07 coming off one of two divisional crowns.

 

Field 07:

Fields at 3B, Uribe at SS, Igs at 2B, Gload/? 1B, AJP at C, ARow at CF, Sweeney at LF, Anderson at RF

 

Pen 07: Shingo, Marte, Hermanson, Vizcaino, + 3 more

 

Wow!  We could be favored to win the Series in 2007!

What about Pods and Paulie? Honel looked TERRIBLE yesterday.

[KWs OK for Me]

Are we expected to land Vasquez in the offseason and isn't Contreras still signed through 06? I think it's also a lot to assume that everyone of our big prospects (BMac, Sweeney, Anderson, Fields, & Honel) will all pan out. I'm fairly certain that BMac will, but I would definately be happy if 3 of 4 out of Sweeney, Anderson, Fields, & Honel turned out. But if all were to go as plan I agree, that would be one hell of a team

[aboz56]

I wouldn't even consider Honel a prospect anymore.

[Melissa1334]

I wouldn't even consider Honel a prospect anymore.

i agree, i dont know if u's saw him yeasterday but he was so bad...i was like who the hell is this crappy ass pitcher.

>Jeez, i think bmac will pan out to, but everyones raving about him, saying how good hes pitched.....he only pitched in 5.1 innings- in spring training!

[aboz56]

i agree, i dont know if u's saw him yeasterday but he was so bad...i was like who the hell is this crappy ass pitcher. 

>Jeez, i think bmac will pan out to, but everyones raving about him, saying how good hes pitched.....he only pitched in 5.1 innings- in spring training!

I don't judge my assessment on one outing, I judge it on several factors.

 

1) His arm problems, which popped up basically with no explanation and set him back substantially last season.

 

2) The fact that in professional baseball he never really threw as hard as they said he was throwing in high school. From some of the people I've talked to, mainly Jas who has seen Honel, the guy's velocity was vastly overrated coming out of HS and he never really threw as hard as they said he did.

 

3) Before this offseason, his work ethic and habits off the field. I know he worked out with Tracey and McCarthy this winter, but before that, I'd heard rumblings from a few people (one worked with a Single A organization that faced the Warthogs often) that Honel didn't take very good care of himself off the field.

 

For all of these reasons, I don't really consider him to be the prospect he once was, if one at all.

[southsider2k5]

i agree, i dont know if u's saw him yeasterday but he was so bad...i was like who the hell is this crappy ass pitcher. 

>Jeez, i think bmac will pan out to, but everyones raving about him, saying how good hes pitched.....he only pitched in 5.1 innings- in spring training!

 

Its not just the 5 1/3 innings he has pitched this spring. Go back and look at the domination he has had in the minors. Brandon led all of the minors with his 202 Ks last year. He also was 17-6 with a ridiculous K/BB ratio. Plus his mental make up is 10 years past his age. He is smart, confident, talented, and an all around great guy.

[Heads22]

I'd be very surprised if Honel ever plays in Chicago as a WSock. I also think yo can't predict that Vazquez will sign with us and the MLB is just too fluid to predict anyone being anywhere.

 

BMac, however, is a stud.

[Melissa1334]

look at the numbers diaz put up in the minors...that worked out well

[Yossarian]

Many of our top prospects in recent years have been like a mirage of an oasis in the desert.

[Kalapse]

look at the numbers diaz put up in the minors...that worked out well

Felix Diaz:

 

 

Brandon McCarthy:

 

 

I Don't really see much of a comparison here. McCarthy has far and away better numbers plus BMAC's mental composure is 1000 times better than anyother pitcher we've had in the minors in a long time.

[Heads22]

That 60:3 K:BB ratio in 8 games is sick.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Vazquez is predicated on the belief that AZ is not going to be in contention in the West & that the trade that was talked so much about with Koney as the centerpiece will resurface in Jun.

[aboz56]

Vazquez is predicated on the belief that AZ is not going to be in contention in the West & that the trade that was talked so much about with Koney as the centerpiece will resurface in Jun.

If we trade Konerko our offense goes from suspect to downright awful.

 

Not going to happen.

 

I expect Konerko to sign a multi-year deal before the season is over.

[South Side Fireworks Man]

Field 07:

Fields at 3B, Uribe at SS, Igs at 2B, Gload/? 1B, AJP at C, ARow at CF, Sweeney at LF, Anderson at RF

 

 

Casey Rogowski may very well be the first baseman in '07.

[ptatc]

Vazquez is predicated on the belief that AZ is not going to be in contention in the West & that the trade that was talked so much about with Koney as the centerpiece will resurface in Jun.

 

Remember though, Vazquez siad if it wasn't the Yankees, he did not want to go to the AL. If this is still true, I don't want someone who doesn't want to be here.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Remember though, Vazquez siad if it wasn't the Yankees, he did not want to go to the AL. If this is still true, I don't want someone who doesn't want to be here.

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Playing for a contender usually is enough to change a player's mind. As I have done in this thread KW can easily sell Vazquez on the future potential of the White Sox. Koney fans are ignoring his road numbers. They are awful. He hit 239 on the road last year & his career #'s are not much better. Add to that the fact he is clearly a 1-dim player & it makes no sense to commit 8-9M/yr over 4 yrs to Koney. Based on the off-season deals it makes no sense for Koney to accept anything less than a 4-5yr deal.

 

I agree out of loyalty to Koney the Sox should at least offer him a 3yr deal. Even if they overpay a little on it.

 

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws

Comparisons to BMC as a RH Marky B or Greg Maddux with more zip. That kind of stuff makes you want to dream because control pitchers like these guys are often

more durable than the power guys (Wood, Prior).

 

Likewise they refer to Tracey & Honel as being not too far behind either.

 

I'm really optimistic by what I'm hearing from Marte. I think he's poised to dominate RH's again (if he keeps from beaning them ) He's certainly taken Cooper's advice to heart.

[qwerty]

Casey Rogowski may very well be the first baseman in '07.

 

Albert pujols three picks later. That kills me.

[aboz56]

Just a question, do you ever use anything besides a bunch of jumbled up stats?

[GoodAsGould]

i consider this Honels make or break year in terms of being a top prospect once again. While he didnt look 2 good his last outing he pitched pretty well his outing b4 that and this is his first time really pitching for like a year so i give him a break.

 

So if he can show that he is again the same pitcher he once was as the season progresses i still got a lot of hope in him.

 

 

 

as far as predicting goes here is my take

 

2006:

1B: Ross Gload(Konerko costs 2 much money for what he gives us, also he hurts our offense as much as he helps with his poor ass road stats and with his double plays) If Lyle Overbay is a F/A i wouldnt mind us looking at him good OBP guy.

2B: Iguchi(I have a good feeling about this dude.)

SS: Uribe(will dissapoint in 2005 this be a make or break year kind of for him)

3B: Joe Crede(wont last the whole season, just taking up time for Fields to get some more AB's)

LF: Aaron Rowand(hope he is a white sox for a long time)

CF: Brian Anderson

RF: Jermaine Dye(1 year left on his contract also stop gap for Sweeney)

C: AJ Pieryznski(he is the man )

 

SP:Mark Buerhle

SP:Freddy Garcia

SP:Orlando/Contreras(one of these 2 will either be moved to bullpen or traded)

SP:Jon Garland

SP:B-Mac(his time to shine)

 

in 2007: i have no clue but i hope Sweeney will be ready by then.

[jackie hayes]

Albert pujols three picks later. That kills me.

You learn something new every day. How was he drafted, when he's from DR? I don't know anything about his bio.

 

I was surprised that he'd been drafted, so I checked at baseball-reference. Where they have the stat comparison at the bottom, most similar hitters by age; #1, Joe DiMaggio. Nice company. He is really unbelievable.

[qwerty]

You learn something new every day.  How was he drafted, when he's from DR?  I don't know anything about his bio.

 

I was surprised that he'd been drafted, so I checked at baseball-reference.  Where they have the stat comparison at the bottom, most similar hitters by age; #1, Joe DiMaggio.  Nice company.  He is really unbelievable.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/draft/1999_13_1.shtml

 

Here is an excellent bio on pujols it explains everything.

 

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Pujols/Pujols_bio.html

[jackie hayes]

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/draft/1999_13_1.shtml

 

Here is an excellent bio on pujols it explains everything.

 

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Pujols/Pujols_bio.html

Oh I believed you (at least after checking b-r, ). Just wondering why he was eligible for the draft. I didn't know his family had moved to NY. Thanks for the info, interesting.

[SouthSideScraper]

Playing for a contender usually is enough to change a player's mind.  As I have done in this thread KW can easily sell Vazquez on the future potential of the White Sox.  Koney fans are ignoring his road numbers. They are awful.  He hit 239 on the road last year & his career #'s are not much better.  Add to that the fact he is clearly a 1-dim player & it makes no sense to commit 8-9M/yr over 4 yrs to Koney.  Based on the off-season deals it makes no sense for Koney to accept anything less than a 4-5yr deal.

 

I agree out of loyalty to Koney the Sox should at least offer him a 3yr deal.  Even if they overpay a little on it. 

 

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Funny, We have the same guy naysaying Paulie but praising BMac. There's something wrong with that picture.

 

Fine, Paulie has some work to do on his road games. But he's proven to be good and should be expected to do better, and in fact can. BMac has pitched one preseason game and you're already giving him a starting position in '07.

 

Come on.

 

Horse before the cart.

 

And another thing...If Dye is getting paid over 11million, then Paulie isn't over paid at 9million. We wouldn't be overpaying him, we'd be giving a solid middle hitter and good fielder what he's worth to the club. Slow yes, but last year he didn't get into any slumps and just plugged along, nor did he have any glaring errors.

 

If you're Looking into the future to say that BMac is going to be a great pitcher in '07 off one preseason game, then there is no arguing that Pauly is worth his salt and should be offered a three year deal.

[qwerty]

Funny,  We have the same guy naysaying Paulie but praising BMac.  There's something wrong with that picture.

 

Fine, Paulie has some work to do on his road games.  But he's proven to be good and should be expected to do better, and in fact can.  BMac has pitched one preseason game and you're already giving him a starting position in '07. 

 

 

 

And another thing...If Dye is getting paid over 11million, then Paulie isn't over paid at 9million.  We wouldn't be overpaying him, we'd be giving a solid middle hitter and good fielder what he's worth to the club.  Slow yes, but last year he didn't get into any slumps and just plugged along, nor did he have any glaring errors.

 

If you're Looking into the future to say that BMac is going to be a great pitcher in '07 off one preseason game, then there is no arguing that Pauly is worth his salt and should be offered a three year deal.

 

If konerko wants eight million per bring him back. If he wants ten you would still probally bring him back but might end up regretting it. If he has another year like last year and wants around twelve million just tell him it has been nice while it lasted.

 

I don't know where you are getting 11 million for dye from. He is due four million this year, five million next year and a six million option for the year after.