Senate approves opening ANWR

[FlaSoxxJim]

Senate approves opening ANWR

 

51-49 vote. It will still need to survive a final Congressional vote for passage this year, but the House has voted in favor of it all along.

 

Yippee. We're on the road to carving up caribou migratory routes and calving grounds, polar bear habitat and migratory bird habitat for at maximimum a 2.5% increase in our domestic oil production, with the first crude not coming down the pipeline for 10 years.

 

This is the "centerpiece" of the Bush energy policy that is going to decrease our dependence on foreifgn oil? Let's see... we import 50% of our oil, and now in a decade we will only need to import 47.5%. Yep, that should do it.

 

Why the hell aren't they pushing for better fuel economy (surely we can do better than a 2.5% increase 10 years out), as a stopgap measure while truly pursuing alteranative/renewable fuel technology??

[jackie hayes]

You don't understand, this is only part of the solution...

 

Wait to comment until you see the whole plan...

 

We're trying to create more jobs for Americans...

 

[Texsox]

Let's see it's Patriotic to lower our dependence on foreign oil and thwarting terrorists. But we can not give up our Hummer's to go to market and lunch :headshake

[Cerbaho-WG]

Senate approves opening ANWR

 

51-49 vote.  It will still need to survive a final Congressional vote for passage this year, but the House has voted in favor of it all along.

 

Yippee.  We're on the road to carving up caribou migratory routes and calving grounds, polar bear habitat and migratory bird habitat for at maximimum a 2.5% increase in our domestic oil production, with the first crude not coming down the pipeline for 10 years.

 

This is the "centerpiece" of the Bush energy policy that is going to decrease our dependence on foreifgn oil?  Let's see... we import 50% of our oil, and now in a decade we will only need to import 47.5%.  Yep, that should do it.

 

Why the hell aren't they pushing for better fuel economy (surely we can do better than a 2.5% increase 10 years out), as a stopgap measure while truly pursuing alteranative/renewable fuel technology??

 

Why do you hate America?

[Wong & Owens]

So sad. Arrogant, shortsighted, and reason #765B why I refuse to procreate.

[FlaSoxxJim]

So sad.  Arrogant, shortsighted, and reason #765B why I refuse to procreate.

 

That and lack of a willing partner, eh?

[KipWellsFan]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...ling050316.html

 

"Some people say we ought to conserve more," said Republican Senator Pete Domenici. "But we need to do everything. We have to conserve and produce where we can."

 

The last time the Senate debated drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, two years ago, the attempt to include it in the budget was defeated. Since then, the Republicans picked up three more seats, all supporters of the drilling.

 

f*** that!

[Wong & Owens]

That and lack of a willing partner, eh? 

 

 

Oh, I have a willing partner, it's just that human male sperm and vinyl-plastic composites will not combine to bear offspring.

 

Curse you, damned biology!!!

[TheBigHurt35]

So, if drilling in the middle of nowhere in Alaska is so bad, why is nobody protesting our drilling in the Gulf?

[KipWellsFan]

So, if drilling in the middle of nowhere in Alaska is so bad, why is nobody protesting our drilling in the Gulf?

 

 

WILDLIFE REFUGE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE

 

This is a selfish act.

[TheBigHurt35]

WILDLIFE REFUGE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE

 

This is a selfish act.

 

An oil spill in a wildlife refuge would be much less environmentally-damaging than one in the Gulf of Mexico, no? So, why are the Dems not speaking out against that? Oh, right, offshore drilling didn't occur under Bush's watch. :rolly

[KipWellsFan]

An oil spill in a wildlife refuge would be much less environmentally-damaging than one in the Gulf of Mexico, no?  So, why are the Dems not speaking out against that?  Oh, right, offshore drilling didn't occur under Bush's watch. :rolly

 

Okay, but that doesn't make this any less selfish.

[TheBigHurt35]

Okay, but that doesn't make this any less selfish.

 

It makes it more of a partisan issue than an environmental issue.

[Gene Honda Civic]

myopic

[Texsox]

So, if drilling in the middle of nowhere in Alaska is so bad, why is nobody protesting our drilling in the Gulf?

 

There were plenty of protests, and they lost. Just like there were protests against building a nuclear reactor in Zion, Il. And each time, eventually, America's overwhelming desire for batteries for our toys has won out. We are the biggest consumers of resources on the planet.

 

I believe we have a sacred moral obligation to protect our planet for fish, fowl, and animal for ourselves and future generations.

[TheBigHurt35]

There were plenty of protests, and they lost. Just like there were protests against building a nuclear reactor in Zion, Il. And each time, eventually, America's overwhelming desire for batteries for our toys has won out. We are the biggest consumers of resources on the planet.

 

I believe we have a sacred moral obligation to protect our planet for fish, fowl, and animal for ourselves and future generations.

 

Then we'd better stop drilling for oil everywhere. But the sad fact is that we're going to have to damage the environment to a certain extent to obtain fossil or nuclear fuel.

[Texsox]

An oil spill in a wildlife refuge would be much less environmentally-damaging than one in the Gulf of Mexico, no?  So, why are the Dems not speaking out against that?  Oh, right, offshore drilling didn't occur under Bush's watch. :rolly

 

Did we start offshore drilling in the past 5 years? Duh. Are you suggesting people should protest something that has been going on for years and years? This is new drilling. This is allowing something that has been banned before. This is a new decision.

 

What a stupid f***ing argument you are making.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Then we'd better stop drilling for oil everywhere.  But the sad fact is that we're going to have to damage the environment to a certain extent to obtain fossil or nuclear fuel.

I'm game for that...

[TheBigHurt35]

Did we start offshore drilling in the past 5 years? Duh. Are you suggesting people should  protest something that has been going on for years and years? This is new drilling. This is allowing something that has been banned before. This is a new decision.

 

What a stupid f***ing argument you are making.

 

Right f***ing back at you. Let's show some class, eh? :rolly

 

Why shouldn't people protest offshore oil drilling? Can they not petition Congress to ban it? Conservatives are still protesting Roe v. Wade, 30-some years after the court decision.

 

But liberals won't protest offshore oil drilling because they're more concerned about taking a swipe at Bush than anything else. That seems obvious to me.

[Kid Gleason]

Nuclear power plants can only HELP Zion.

[TheBigHurt35]

Nuclear power plants can only HELP Zion. 

 

I'd much rather see oil pumps surrounding my home than a nuclear facility anywhere near it.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Right f***ing back at you.    Let's show some class, eh?  :rolly

 

Why shouldn't people protest offshore oil drilling?  Can they not petition Congress to ban it?  Conservatives are still protesting Roe v. Wade, 30-some years after the court decision.

 

But liberals won't protest offshore oil drilling because they're more concerned about taking a swipe at Bush than anything else.  That seems obvious to me.

 

No its the simply fact of a minimal gain of oil at the expense of a wildlife refuge and the money being spent to get it rather than a swipe at Bush.

 

And its not necessarily a swipe at Bush since some Congressional Democrats have been in support of the ANWR drilling (due to pressure from the Teamsters) as well.

[TheBigHurt35]

No its the simply fact of a minimal gain of oil at the expense of a wildlife refuge and the money being spent to get it rather than a swipe at Bush.

 

IIRC, the money is being spent by private businesses, no? And those businesses will provide jobs Americans in the middle of a slowly-recovering economy, no?

 

And its not necessarily a swipe at Bush since some Congressional Democrats have been in support of the ANWR drilling (due to pressure from the Teamsters) as well.

 

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. This reeks of anti-Bush partisanship, IMO.

[Texsox]

Right f***ing back at you.    Let's show some class, eh?  :rolly

 

Why shouldn't people protest offshore oil drilling?  Can they not petition Congress to ban it?  Conservatives are still protesting Roe v. Wade, 30-some years after the court decision.

 

But liberals won't protest offshore oil drilling because they're more concerned about taking a swipe at Bush than anything else.  That seems obvious to me.

Some GOP members crossed over, was it to take a swipe at Bush, or was it to protect our wilderness?

 

Environmentalists have been protesting any attempts to open that area up for drilling. Clinton was pro-Environment and this wasn't an issue, it was never brought up for a vote. It wasn't until the GOP had a majority, that they reintroduced legislation to open this area up for drilling. People are protesting this particular bill. Isn't that the time to protest? When a vote is being made?

 

Most environmentalists also happen to be Dems. A Dem wouldn't propose this bill. It is unfair to say that this is a attack at Bush. Environmentalists would never, under any administration, support this measure.

[TheBigHurt35]

Some GOP members crossed over, was it to take a swipe at Bush, or was it to protect our wilderness?

 

Environmentalists have been protesting any attempts to open that area up for drilling. Clinton was pro-Environment and this wasn't an issue, it was never brought up for a vote. It wasn't until the GOP had a majority, that they reintroduced legislation to open this area up for drilling. People are protesting this particular bill. Isn't that the time to protest? When a vote is being made?

 

Most environmentalists also happen to be Dems. A Dem wouldn't propose this bill. It is unfair to say that this is a attack at Bush. Environmentalists would never, under any administration, support this measure.

 

Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.