Terri Shaivo thread

[Steff]

Typical bulls*** by the typical people who feel a need to post it :rolly

I said both FOX & MSNBC.  Perhaps MSNBC is not a reputable source either for you.

FOX - is covering this from the FL perpsective

MSNBC - is focusing much more on the Vatican perspective

 

I'm specifically referring to the Jessica Lundstrom thread in which you post total BULLs*** about Couhey being a teacher and having contact with Jessica. You do this over and over again.. posting BULLs*** WITHOUT checking facts or altering them to fit your BULLs*** beliefs. You're credibility is BULLs***.

[JUGGERNAUT]

This woman is being used in a personal and legal tug of war. The longer it goes on, the more she is being humiliated.

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Terri is dying. With the doubt cast on this case she may be feeling the effects of the starvation despite the fact she is heavily medicated.

 

A person who is shut out from her family & friends & can only see guards around her is feeling abandonment. Not humiliation.

[Rex Kickass]

And her husband. And her parents. Who have unlimited access.

[Steff]

A person who is shut out from her family & friends & can only see guards around her is feeling abandonment.  Not humiliation.

 

 

Her sister was on GMA this morning saying that they (her, and her parents) had just spent most of the overnight with her.

[Steff]

And her husband. And her parents. Who have unlimited access.

 

 

 

And her sister and her husband.

[LosMediasBlancas]

Better humiliated than killed.

 

Not worse than humiliated and THEN killed.

[JUGGERNAUT]

I'm specifically referring to the Jessica Lundstrom thread in which you post total BULLs*** about Couhey being a teacher and having contact with Jessica. You do this over and over again.. posting BULLs*** WITHOUT checking facts or altering them to fit your BULLs*** beliefs. You're credibility is BULLs***.

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I'll have to go look at your BULLs*** in that thread & dissprove it like I do every other thread because you F'g can't read! But you're action of posting a comment in this thread pertaining to your opinion in that thread is one of I would associate with a person I would consider an obnoxious piece of garbage in my opinion with a vindictive & mallicious nature. There's no f***ing logical reason one would do it outside of spite.

 

Now I'll go look at the BULLs*** you wrote there & go find evidence to prove you wrong again. Do yourself a favor & save my time. Put me on your ignore list.

[Steff]

I'll have to go look at your BULLs*** in that thread & dissprove it like I do every other thread because you F'g can't read!  But you're action of posting a comment in this thread pertaining to your opinion in that thread is one of I would associate with a person I would consider an obnoxious piece of garbage in my opinion with a vindictive & mallicious nature.  There's no f***ing logical reason one would do it outside of spite.

 

Now I'll go look at the BULLs*** you wrote there & go find evidence to prove you wrong again.  Do yourself a favor & save my time.  Put me on your ignore list.

 

 

He isn't a f***ing teacher... he doesn't even have a HS diploma!!!

[JUGGERNAUT]

No one is allowed near the bedside. Go look it up.

[Steff]

No one is allowed near the bedside.  Go look it up.

 

 

 

Yea.. ok. I'll believe her sister over you and your lies.

[JUGGERNAUT]

He isn't a f***ing teacher... he doesn't even have a HS diploma!!!

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A person like you must be a F'g nightmare to live with. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that when the story first broke the news media saw contract & school & assumed teacher? I reported what they reported. When it comes to the media no one but a F'g moron would assume that's the Gospel truth on the matter. The word retraction exists because errors are expected.

 

Now you can argue whether they should have held the story back & waiting or went forward with it. IMHO they did the right thing. It was more important to point out he was working at the school then waiting to check in what capacity.

 

Seriously I don't have time to debate this insignificant bulls*** today from vindictive & mallicious persons dripping with the need to spite others like yourself. Put me on your ignore list. In my opinion a person who gets personal satisfication out of calling people liars because SOME of they might refer to a link that is not 100% factually correct because of the timeliness of the report is both petty, & a classless human being. Apparently no one ever taught you the phrase "to error is human, to forgive is divine."

[Steff]

Yea.. I'm a nightmare because I don't tolerate bulls*** and lies. You don't have s*** to back up your bulls***.. it was reported the FIRST DAY that he was a "person of interest" that he had a criminal record, had violated probation, held odd temp jobs because he did NOT have a HS DIPLOMA... You claimed to have followed that story, but you don't know that..? That was all they kept saying as they played the video footage of him in the bar in Georgia.. Yet you want to claim that a week after they knew he didn't have a HS diploma that they would report he was a teacher.. GMAFB.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Yea.. I'm a nightmare because I don't tolerate bulls*** and lies. You don't have s*** to back up your bulls***.. it was reported the FIRST DAY that he was a "person of interest" that he had a criminal record, had violated probation, held odd temp  jobs because he did NOT have a HS DIPLOMA... You claimed to have followed that story, but you don't know that..? That was all they kept saying as they played the video footage of him in the bar in Georgia.. Yet you want to claim that a week after they knew he didn't have a HS diploma that they would report he was a teacher.. GMAFB.

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I reported what I read in the link. Nothing more. It was the first report I found.

I didn't claim it to be the gospel truth or that it was 100% accurate. You're inability to discern the difference between an error & a lie doesn't require me to include a disclaimer attesting to the possible inaccuracy from the report. But in an effort to help you overcome your apparent mental difficulties I will from now on preface my posts

referring to links of information with "If this is true".

[Steff]

Alright.. supply the link and I'll stop calling you a liar.

[JUGGERNAUT]

If any one has a link supporting the belief that parents & family are allowed bedside during this ordeal please post it. I've not been able to find it.

 

The parents continue to report on her state of decline so one can infer they are allowed into her room. But whether they allowed bedside to where Terri can see or hear them is something entirely different.

 

Intelligence would tell you Terri has limited sense recognition if any at all.

That means unless you are allowed close enough to where she can feel your presence it's as if your not there at all.

[Queen Prawn]

When we took my gramma off life supports (2 years ago this April) the doctors suggested someone be at the bedside whenever possible. My aunts did the first day and on the second day we (my mom and myself) went in said a few prayers talked to her and told her it was okay to go. She died about 10-15 minutes after we walked out of the room.

 

When someone is taken off lifesupports, it is encouraged to be at the bedside and speak with the patient.

[Steff]

If any one has a link supporting the belief that parents & family are allowed bedside during this ordeal please post it.  I've not been able to find it.

 

The parents continue to report on her state of decline so one can infer they are allowed into her room.  But whether they allowed bedside to where Terri can see or hear them is something entirely different. 

 

Intelligence would tell you Terri has limited sense recognition if any at all.

That means unless you are allowed close enough to where she can feel your presence it's as if your not there at all.

 

 

 

Her sister out of her own mouth with her husband standibng by her side via satellite on GMA said it. That's better than a misreported bulls*** link, IMO.

[CanOfCorn]

At some point, we all have to move on with our lives. If, from what I've heard, she only responds to light, how long do you expect me to live like that? Do you think Terri, who also said the same vows, would want me to dote over her, while in this vegetative state, for 15 years? 20 years? Until she passes? What if she lives to be 80 in the state she's in? Do you think she would want her husband to live like that? Maybe she would, but since she's not there, and the emotional distress on her husband, it's time to let her go. If he really wants to pull the plug and his family doesn't, then get a divorce and move on. But, then the same argument above shifts to the parents. Having hope is wonderful. But at some point, hope doesn't heal.

 

I know this doesn't make a difference in this case...but I don't want my soon to be bride or my family to hope that I can make it off a feeding tube after 15 years. Not even 5. It's not fair to them. If they want to do it, that's up to them. But personally, if I can't enjoy life, then life isn't worth living.

[JUGGERNAUT]

When we took my gramma off life supports (2 years ago this April) the doctors suggested someone be at the bedside whenever possible.  My aunts did the first day and on the second day we (my mom and myself) went in said a few prayers talked to her and told her it was okay to go.  She died about 10-15 minutes after we walked out of the room.

 

When someone is taken off lifesupports, it is encouraged to be at the bedside and speak with the patient.

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That's good to hear. Were there guards present at the time?

[Queen Prawn]

That's good to hear. Were there guards present at the time?

 

Actually, the only good is that my gramma was taken out of her pain and misery.

 

No, we were in agreement about her treatment so there was no need for it.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Actually, the only good is that my gramma was taken out of her pain and misery.

 

No, we were in agreement about her treatment so there was no need for it.

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It was a good thing you got to see her one more time before she passed away.

My family's never had to face this decision. So I really don't know what it feels like to

confront it.

[Queen Prawn]

It was a good thing you got to see her one more time before she passed away.

My family's never had to face this decision.  So I really don't know what it feels like to

confront it.

 

We went through it with my gramp when I was 16. It's tough. I didn't have to make the decision, but I saw how it affected my mom and her sisters.

[Rex Kickass]

Attorney George Felos, representing Michael Schiavo, told reporters that his client is by his wife's side, saying, "That's where he'll remain until she dies." He said Michael Schiavo also has given the Schindlers the right to visit the hospice in Pinellas Park.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/23/schiavo/index.html

[JUGGERNAUT]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/23/schiavo/index.html

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Michael probably represents the least likely person in the state to give her drops of water. Based on the care givers sworn testimony I'm not sure if he's a comfort to Terri at all. That might be even worse than dying alone.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/23/cnna.dershowitz/

Alan's big take is he continually draws the comparison of Schiavo's rtd vs dp cases. (right-to-die, death-penalty).

 

If this were a d-p case the conservatives would be backing state rights & the liberals

would be fighting for the life. He says that's the problem the Schindler's are facing.

Alan believes the 11th Ct Court is more concerned with the impact their ruling could

have on d-p cases than Schiavo. He considers it a pro d-p court.

 

He says the Schiavo Law might cause the USSC to take a look. A Law written specifically for this women & this case is always of interest to the court.

 

If he were to write a new FL law he would side with the parents. He prefers a clear & conclusive standard & doesn't believe the word of a few people is sufficent. It is better to err on the side of life.

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[Rex Kickass]

That's right. Rather than admit you're wrong, demonize the guy.