Terri Shaivo thread

[TheBigHurt35]

I'll go ahead and add my $0.02...

 

My 89-year-old grandfather is in the late stages of Althezimer's and, in terms of functionality, isn't much better off than Terri. Yet, my father and aunts spend an extraordinary amount of time and money on assisted living care and visit him at least once a week. The thought of letting him slowly starve to death because he can't feed himself never crossed their minds.

 

There is no reason why Michael Schiavo couldn't give up guardianship of Terri to her parents, who clearly want to put in the time and money it'll take to keep her alive. There's a special place in hell for people like him.

[Rex Kickass]

Unless he's honoring her wishes.

[Texsox]

Unless he's honoring her wishes.

 

Is his credibility and conduct the central issue here? He's the only one on the planet that she possibly told. It would seem natural that he would be the first.

 

IIRC, this all stems from a moment after they had left a relative in a terminal condition and she made the comment about not wanting to live like that. I've said that when looking at a homeless person, a Cubs fan, and what I meant was I would prefer tyo live like this, not that. Not if I ever become homeless, kill me.

[mreye]

Is his credibility and conduct the central issue here? He's the only one on the planet that she possibly told. It would seem natural that he would be the first.

 

IIRC, this all stems from a moment after they had left a relative in a terminal condition and she made the comment about not wanting to live like that. I've said that when looking at a homeless person, a Cubs fan, and what I meant was I would prefer tyo live like this, not that. Not if I ever become homeless, kill me.

I heard the opposite.

 

I heard that she visited that relative with her brother and didn't say anything about not wanting to live that way.

 

Who knows what to believe.

[Rex Kickass]

Is his credibility and conduct the central issue here? He's the only one on the planet that she possibly told. It would seem natural that he would be the first.

 

IIRC, this all stems from a moment after they had left a relative in a terminal condition and she made the comment about not wanting to live like that. I've said that when looking at a homeless person, a Cubs fan, and what I meant was I would prefer tyo live like this, not that. Not if I ever become homeless, kill me.

 

Three separate family members/friends have testified in separate affidavits that Terri did say the things her husband claims. They did this without the benefit of knowing the other's testimony.

[Texsox]

Another power to the people moment

 

Supporters of the Schindlers continued their demands Sunday for Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene.

 

''Terri is in effect on Death Row. ... We're asking the governor for a stay of execution on Easter Sunday,'' said Larry Klayman, founder of the conservative legal group Judicial Watch.

 

If Terri had killed twenty people, the governor has the power to spare her life. That court order can be overturned by the governor.

[southsider2k5]

Interesting Op-Ed article

 

Elian vs Terri

[Texsox]

Interesting article and another attempt to bring politics into this. If you are a political insider, reporter, commentator and always think in red and blue, I guess it is a natural outcome.

 

I think these types of events are influenced on a more cellular level. These issues are deeply personal for many people.

[Rex Kickass]

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/28/Tampabay..._pupils_t.shtml

[YASNY]

Interesting Op-Ed article

 

Elian vs Terri

 

That is what is pissing me off about this whole damn thing. Conservatives backing the GOP regardless of how the issue conflicts with their purported philosophies. Liberals are backing the Democrats in the same manner. Neither this case or the Gonzalez case makes sense, politically. That's to say nothing of the Branch Davidian case in Waco. Both parties do whatever they can get away with and the lemmings on each side just blindly follow the party line and swallow the party rhetoric, hook line and sinker.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Let me clarrify what I said earlier so that it's as generic as possible. No matter what your religion is if it's important to you enough to practice it regularly then your right to die decision should not be made out of ignorance towards it. If there is any doubt that exercising your right to die could have a consequence on your after life than it makes sense to require written approval from your LOCAL church or diocese for the decision.

 

As for what Gov Bush & Pres Bush can do let me remind you that even if they were to take protective custody of Terri (Gov Bush under the premise that FLDCAFS has a case & Pres Bush to enforce the subpeona) they still must get judicial approval to change Terri's guardianship & begin any rehab. Inf the meantime they will both face more court battles to challenge that custody. The political consequences are that they will likely loose their job & weaken the GOP in the process. Which in the end is only going to lead to Terri's death as already sanctioned by the courts.

 

I think Gibbs finally realized this when he referred to Gov Bush as a true friend of the family.

 

The Vatican has spoken on this in detail. There is no room for misunderstanding. In the eyes of the Church Michael is commiting a mortal sin violating the commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill". The Church does not believe that Terri ever chose a right to die in these circumstances & believes that her religious practice is evidence of that. In their opinion & in the minds of many 100's of millions of Catholics world wide if Terri thought her right to die decision could jeapordize her salvation in any way she would not have refused the life support (feeding tubes).

 

Michael doesn't share this sin alone. Judge Greer likewise share's the blame. What is hypocrisy is a judge who attends church on a regular basis but then ignores the meaning of such actions in deciding the life of another.

That's hypocrisy.

 

I do not belief that God will hold Terri accountable. If she said anything to Michael it was probably after watching or reading about a tear-jerker story.

That hardly constitutes a clear-headed mind free from emotion that is required when processing a living will. You don't want to make that decision with a cloud of emotion guiding you. But God will most likely hold both Michael & Greer accountable. If they never repent this could damn them both for all eternity.

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I don't know what Michael's motives are. I read an article interviewing one of the lawyers supporting Michael that they hadn't been paid since 2002 & she didn't know what had become of the 300K he had received from the settlement. I think I read there is somewhere between 5-10% left from the 700K awarded for Terri's future medical expenses.

 

But again I look to the potential earnings for book & movie rights over Terri. What is that worth & will it all go to Michael? I've yet to hear the answer on that but I can imagine it's in the millions.

 

His motives, the money, his involvement in her collapse are all speculation.

But what is not is his defiance of his Church both as to Terri's life & his desire to have her cremated. How many of you who attend Church regularly would risk so much for something that offers ZERO heavenly reward? Based on all that we know of scriptures there is greater likelihood of God forgiving Judas for his suicide than for God to forgive Michael for his role in Terri's death. Why? Because Michael is not likely to ask for it.

[Texsox]

While we seem to be pulling in other cases and situations and trying to make it apply. Rush was discussing how Gov. Bush has no options in this case, short of breaking the law. Liberals should accept that since it is the same reason given for President Clinton not taking Bin Laden when Clinton had the chance.

 

I do see this as cutting through political lines. When I'm listening to Rush and Hannity and nodding in agreement, it is not a progressive vs. conservative issue. I believe it is only a political issue for the professionals.

[southsider2k5]

While we seem to be pulling in other cases and situations and trying to make it apply. Rush was discussing how Gov. Bush has no options in this case, short of breaking the law. Liberals should accept that since it is the same reason given for President Clinton not taking Bin Laden when Clinton had the chance.

 

I do see this as cutting through political lines. When I'm listening to Rush and Hannity and nodding in agreement, it is not a progressive vs. conservative issue. I believe it is only a political issue for the professionals.

 

It should be, but it isn't. Everyone is testing the water, and trying to see if they can make this THE issue.

 

I wish Terri could just die in peace on her own terms, without the world being involved.

[Texsox]

It should be, but it isn't.  Everyone is testing the water, and trying to see if they can make this THE issue.

 

I wish Terri could just die in peace on her own terms, without the world being involved.

 

 

I wish Terri could just live in peace on her own terms, without the world being involved.

 

Interesting if her husband chose life, no one would know her name.

[southsider2k5]

I wish Terri could just live in peace on her own terms, without the world being involved.

 

Interesting if her husband chose life, no one would know her name.

 

It takes two (or in this case 2+ lawyers) to tango.

[Texsox]

Touche' salesman, I too have an uncle.

 

Doing nothing but staying the course wouldn't have caused this uproar. He chose to have all nutrition stopped. At this point, the nurses are not allowed to even place an ice chip on her tongue. He finally relented and allowed her Communion yesterday, I guess he was worried the Communion wafer and wine would sustain her life too much longer. (unfair swipe, but give me one good reason to not allow communion, besides taking yet another swipe at the parents.)

[FlaSoxxJim]

(unfair swipe, but give me one good reason to not allow communion, besides taking yet another swipe at the parents.)

 

Maybe she has celiac disease and they are protecting her.

 

Not to threadjack, but it's unusual for the Catholic sacrament of Communion to make national news twice in the same day and I thought I'd share.

[Texsox]

 

Chicago angle. Notice the web site advertised.

[southsider2k5]

 

Chicago angle. Notice the web site advertised.

 

Boy that has got to be the definition of irony.... Let's save this woman's life, but lets exploit her to prop up a website. WTF is wrong with people? :banghead

[Texsox]

Maybe she has celiac disease and they are protecting her.

 

Not to threadjack, but it's unusual for the Catholic sacrament of Communion to make national news twice in the same day and I thought I'd share.

 

I missed that. I know my last Parish Priest would have not only given her the rice wafer, but probably would have offered it to everyone else as well. But he was feisty like that. Damn, I miss him.

[Texsox]

Boy that has got to be the definition of irony.... Let's save this woman's life, but lets exploit her to prop up a website.  WTF is wrong with people? :banghead

 

 

March 28, 2005

 

Hey, everybody, hope you had a good Easter, or if you’re not a Christian, a good weekend. I guess I’m a Christian, although I did send large inflatable Steve down to the Terri Schiavo fiasco. He apparently showed up on The Fox News Channel on Sunday morning wearing red “LIFE” tape across his mouth. That’s pretty funny, I think, since he’s not really alive. The other option was red tape that said “WIFE”, but I thought that might get him popped. Now keep in mind the “Jesus Lives” sign was Frijole Joe’s idea.

 

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From http://dahl.com/

[Rex Kickass]

Touche' salesman, I too have an uncle. 

 

Doing nothing but staying the course wouldn't have caused this uproar. He chose to have all nutrition stopped. At this point, the nurses are not allowed to even place an ice chip on her tongue. He finally relented and allowed her Communion yesterday, I guess he was worried the Communion wafer and wine would sustain her life too much longer. (unfair swipe, but give me one good reason to not allow communion, besides taking yet another swipe at the parents.)

 

Maybe its because she can't swallow?

[Texsox]

Maybe its because she can't swallow?

 

Communion wafer will dissolve. But that would require a little moisture. No one can be happy with the way she is dying. :headshake

[Rex Kickass]

they tried to give her a communion wafer but she was physically unable to receive it.

[Texsox]

they tried to give her a communion wafer but she was physically unable to receive it.

 

Because she is so dehydrated is what I heard. But Saturday the husband ordered her to not receive Communion. Are you saying it was because the husband was concerned she couldn't swallow it?