southsider2k5 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 With Brandon McCarthy now breaking camp and coming north with the Sox, if BMac can be successful, should the Sox look at moving Jose Contreras to the pen and turning him into a closer? Remember the Sox originally wanted to trade Schoenweis to the Yankees for Contreras and then turn Jose into a closer. We all know Jose has electric stuff, and might be better served going all out for one inning at a time. The question is do we chance this with Shingo as a closer already? Could Shingo be more valuable in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings matching up in critical junctions of the game? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Call me crazy. B-Mac holds his own, KW tries to sell Milwaulkee on the idea of trading Jose Contreras plus half of his remaining salary plus Brian Anderson and another prospect for Ben Sheets. And no I don't think Jose could handle being a closer. We all know what he's like with runners on base. Not a good situation for a closer or a reliever in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2005 -> 02:00 AM) Your crazy. However, if Bmac comes on strong, it make KW have to get pretty creative...A trade with Contreras in the mix is likley, but I don't see Mil going with it. Which teams out there though are going to. A - Want Jose Contreras for their rotation? B - Want Jose Contreras for their bullpen? C - Want the Sox to pay half of his remaining deal? Better start narrowing those teams down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 get rid of garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider17 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 09:12 AM) get rid of garland No way. Garland is a known quantity who gives you lots of innings. He'll be an excellent fifth starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 I think we need to keep Garland. Garland will do well in that 5th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 McCarthy= getting rushed. This is the one thing I feared would happen. We finally have a legit, upper-tier pitching prospect and now he's getting rushed to the bigs. I was really praying he would get his time in the minors and come up on his own terms. Contreras= look at that salary. Reinsdorf would be long in the ground before he ever paid that kind of scratch to a closer. Although I think he could excel in that spot, I just don't see it happening. Have McCarthy pitch until Buehrle is ready; then, send his ass back down to AAA. Please, Please, Please, Please don't screw this prospect up. He's a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Shall we send him back down if he has a sub 3 ERA, Addison? I sure don't think so. If he has a sub 3 ERA, he's ready for the Bigs. I don't care what you say, Bmac faced the Angels TWICE in a week and held them to ONE total run. That is impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(El Piervizdyeguchansodnik @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) Shall we send him back down if he has a sub 3 ERA, Addison? I sure don't think so. If he has a sub 3 ERA, he's ready for the Bigs. I don't care what you say, Bmac faced the Angels TWICE in a week and held them to ONE total run. That is impressive. Yeah, talk to me when he is pitching for real W's and L's in a major league setting. He's getting rushed. I don't care what you say. He's getting rushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 10:32 AM) Yeah, talk to me when he is pitching for real W's and L's in a major league setting. He's getting rushed. I don't care what you say. He's getting rushed. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Would you rather see a tee ball stand out there? You take your best players from Spring Training. BMac is our best starter in Spring Training. Would you rather it be Diaz, who we know will be crushed? Adkins, who had the experiance but can't give you the possibility of putting up #2 starter numbers like BMac could. Give him his chance. He's earned it, this is what Bmac wants to do. He feels he's ready, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(El Piervizdyeguchansodnik @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 10:37 AM) Give him his chance. He's earned it, this is what Bmac wants to do. He feels he's ready, so be it. Nothing scares me more than foolishly rushing a prospect through the system. History shows that is NOT the way to go. Sure, there are exceptions, there always are. But, when you are sitting on a prospect with as much talent as McCarthy, it scares the hell out of me to rush him to the show. Make no mistake about it, McCarthy is the best option. However, that doesn't mean it shouldn't scare the hell out of me. For once, I'd love to see a Sox minor league pitcher pan-out. Who was the last one, Buehrle? We've had some rotten luck. I'd hate to F this up. EDIT: Truth is, we have a lot of people looking at this situtation through McCarthy colored glasses. In reality, we have our best pitching prospect at 20 years of age being rushed. That is never a good thing, no matter how prosiming he looks. Edited March 21, 2005 by AddisonStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Two thoughts: The really good players rise to the big leagues fast, if he is advanced at such a young age then he's one of the exceptions. Second, he will show himself, the organization, the fans, and the opposition if he is indeed ready after a couple of starts. His performance will tell the story. I would rather not rush him either but if there's an opportunity and he shows he is ready then let's give him a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Sometimes you've got to strike while the iron is hot. BMac is pitching phenomenally in AZ right now. Yes, I remember Munoz but a starter's capacity is much different. If BMac has 2-3 wins in April I say keep in the rotation. He won't wreck him. He has a solid head on his shoulders (unlike Jon). We have to get real with Contreras. The only way he's traded is if he's pitching good. A salary dump of a quality player. Otherwise it will cost too much to trade him in either $ or talent. As far as a closer the question is would he prove to be a better choice than Shingo, Marte, or Herm? I don't think so. Contreras is a head case right now, Marte lost some dominance vs RH (but has been working on throwing hard & inside on them in ST), & Shingo's effectiveness in AZ says nothing about his effectiveness at the Cell. The Sox are fortunate that this happened now given they are opening at home in April. The cold weather definitely favors the arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 It's also kinda strange that Zona has a way of making pitchers look like crap. Brandon has the mental makeup of a guy who can/will succeed. He's getting his chance. Can't do anything besides support him and cheer him on...it's not our decision. Brandon!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 21, 2005 Author Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) McCarthy= getting rushed. This is the one thing I feared would happen. We finally have a legit, upper-tier pitching prospect and now he's getting rushed to the bigs. I was really praying he would get his time in the minors and come up on his own terms. Contreras= look at that salary. Reinsdorf would be long in the ground before he ever paid that kind of scratch to a closer. Although I think he could excel in that spot, I just don't see it happening. Have McCarthy pitch until Buehrle is ready; then, send his ass back down to AAA. Please, Please, Please, Please don't screw this prospect up. He's a good one. This is actually an ideal scenario for Bmac to debut. He knows his time here is finite and that he will be going back to the minors when MB gets back. The pressure to preform isn't there like if they were trying to make him the fifth starter. In essence he has nothing to lose. If he gets hit hard, they can chalk it up to the fact he shouldn't have been here yet, and let him go back to the minors and work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 10:42 AM) Nothing scares me more than foolishly rushing a prospect through the system. History shows that is NOT the way to go. Sure, there are exceptions, there always are. But, when you are sitting on a prospect with as much talent as McCarthy, it scares the hell out of me to rush him to the show. Make no mistake about it, McCarthy is the best option. However, that doesn't mean it shouldn't scare the hell out of me. For once, I'd love to see a Sox minor league pitcher pan-out. Who was the last one, Buehrle? We've had some rotten luck. I'd hate to F this up. EDIT: Truth is, we have a lot of people looking at this situtation through McCarthy colored glasses. In reality, we have our best pitching prospect at 20 years of age being rushed. That is never a good thing, no matter how prosiming he looks. the thing about mccarthy is that he is more like buerhle, who also made his debut at 21. he has the makeup to pitch in the bigs, and while no, ive never talked to him myself or anything that make up is there. It has been in scouting reports far before all the mainstream reporters picked up on this kid, so im not just regurgitating info outa the trib. last year, ozzie said the best pitcher outa spring would make the 5th spot. now that we have a spot open, thats what is gonna happen. besides, oakland brought up zito and mulder when they were young and they were successful, and they are doing thesame thing again. I understand there are countless expamples of young pitchers failing when brought up, but i think this kid is ready. go back and look at the mlbtv archives and watch the curveballs he gets a few of the angels lokoing at. there are filthy. in my opinion this kid has what it takes and its worth a shot at seeing what he can do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 I do feel that we are rushing Bmac since he hasnt even pitched in AAA ball yet. But on the other hand, he has been VERY impressive during ST and looks to be much better than anybody else that we could put at the 5th spot. So we have no choice but to let him pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) With Brandon McCarthy now breaking camp and coming north with the Sox, if BMac can be successful, should the Sox look at moving Jose Contreras to the pen and turning him into a closer? Remember the Sox originally wanted to trade Schoenweis to the Yankees for Contreras and then turn Jose into a closer. We all know Jose has electric stuff, and might be better served going all out for one inning at a time. The question is do we chance this with Shingo as a closer already? Could Shingo be more valuable in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings matching up in critical junctions of the game? Thoughts? If BMac is doing well when MB is ready, I could see Contreras moved in a deal like the Mets made for with TB for Carlos Zambrano. A team looking to make the playoffs [like Boston] could part with a top tier pitching prospect who wouldn't be expected to help the sox right away, but is close. Boston has two decent young arms who could be near ready for the bigs in RHP Anibel Sanchez and LHP Abe Alvarez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 09:12 AM) get rid of garland How dare you Take that back right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) How dare you Take that back right now I gotta say MoS, that is the most homoerotic sig-avatar combo I've seen at Soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) I gotta say MoS, that is the most homoerotic sig-avatar combo I've seen at Soxtalk. Im comfortable with my sexuality EDIT: Aw crap, I just realized I have an I Love Dougly thing in there too.. Edited March 21, 2005 by T R U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 If this happeneds, Garland is the odd man Out.. Who the hell (other than KW) is going to trade for a Pitcher who is only "on" 1/2 the time, that makes 8 mil a year? NO ONE .. IMO.. Garland on the other hand has alot of upside, being young and cheap. Unless we include some good tier prospects, he is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 11:32 AM) If this happeneds, Garland is the odd man Out.. Who the hell (other than KW) is going to trade for a Pitcher who is only "on" 1/2 the time, that makes 8 mil a year? NO ONE .. IMO.. Garland on the other hand has alot of upside, being young and cheap. Unless we include some good tier prospects, he is gone. I think your wrong.. Its not like were FORCED to move anyone if BMac does good.. Your acting like if he shines and Mark comes back were screwed and we have to deal Garland.. Contreras would have to be the man who is gone, even if we didnt get a ton in return, that doesnt bother me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) If BMac is doing well when MB is ready, I could see Contreras moved in a deal like the Mets made for with TB for Carlos Zambrano. A team looking to make the playoffs [like Boston] could part with a top tier pitching prospect who wouldn't be expected to help the sox right away, but is close. Boston has two decent young arms who could be near ready for the bigs in RHP Anibel Sanchez and LHP Abe Alvarez. *Victor This would be the ideal situation. Alvarez is a lot closer than Sanchez, but I'd welcome either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 21, 2005 Author Share Posted March 21, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 11:32 AM) If this happeneds, Garland is the odd man Out.. Who the hell (other than KW) is going to trade for a Pitcher who is only "on" 1/2 the time, that makes 8 mil a year? NO ONE .. IMO.. Garland on the other hand has alot of upside, being young and cheap. Unless we include some good tier prospects, he is gone. Garland has a couple of things working for him. #1 he makes half of what Contreras does and #2 he is at least consistant, especially when you compare him to what Jose does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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