baggio202 Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 2nd inning..runers on 1st and 2nd , no one out..up strolls carlos lee...perfect bunt situaton...but , we all know the debacle thats waiting to happen that is the '"carlos lee bunting experience" from last year...evidently manuel remembers all to well because after asking daubach to bunt to get the runner over he doesnt ask carlos to after brian got HBP...now , does carlos , knowing from last season how horrible his bunting was work on it in the off season???...i highly doubt it because if he did he would tried to bunt on his own and show jerry he is a team player... now if youre not bunting in that situation its imparitive to try and take the ball to RF and move the runners up...does carlos do this???...nope..its not even a thought in his mind as he swings at a pitch on the outer half of the plate , a perfect pitch to drive to RF , and proceeds to ground into a rally killing 5-4-3 DP...carlos couldnt do the team thing..he had to be the hero... these are the things that drive me nuts with carlos and have me just hating this guy as a ballplayer....THESE ARE THINGS THAT ANY HAS CONTROL OVER...bunting , hitting the eopposite way....ANY HITTER CAN DO OR LEARN TO DO THESE THINGS...any other ballplayer would have been so embarrassed by his efforts last year trying to bunt he would have worked his ass off to improve in that department..but i got a feeling carlos actually thinks he is in maggs catagory as a ballplayer and that a player of his stature should not be asked to bunt this team is truggling right now...we arnt getting big hits and we astranding runners everywhere...this situation it was important to move those runners up and score firt today...another example of carlos not being able to help the team unless he is tearing the cover off the ball...isnt it joe borchard time yet??? hopefully carlos redeems himself today with as big day..but that wont change the fact that this type of play will cost the team somewhere down the road...its a great reason why the twins finished ahead of the sox the last two seasons despite the sox being the better team on paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Your comments make a lot of sense. Very few hitters can effectively and consistently pull an outside pitch. It usually results in a weak grounder to the left side or a soft fly to center. Aaron Rowand was doing the exact same thing Saturday. That single thing is the best way to prolong a hitting slump. What I don't know and would like to know is if JM and/or the coaches even bother saying anything to these guys, because they keep on doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Carlos swing is way too long right now that he isn't able to pull the ball anyway. He needs to shorten that swing up if he is ever going to pull anything and before he does that he's got to start hitting it with authority to right field. Hitting opposite field is what gets your swing in gear and then you naturally will pull the ball when you start getting inside pitches to drive. Guys, isn't Lee a solid bunter? At least he's solid when it comes to bunting for a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 13, 2003 Author Share Posted April 13, 2003 Carlos swing is way too long right now that he isn't able to pull the ball anyway. He needs to shorten that swing up if he is ever going to pull anything and before he does that he's got to start hitting it with authority to right field. Hitting opposite field is what gets your swing in gear and then you naturally will pull the ball when you start getting inside pitches to drive. Guys, isn't Lee a solid bunter? At least he's solid when it comes to bunting for a hit. carlos can sort of bunt for a hit..but he is terrible when he squares around..i was hoping in that at bat he would try and surprise dmitri and lay down a bunt for a hit...dmitri is a horrible 3rd baseman too...its his worst position of the 4 he plays and he already has an error today...but carlos plays for carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I agree, we should be bunting and testing Dmitri all day. He isn't a 3rd baseman by trade. Alomar strikes up on a high fastball, up and in. This Gary Knotts guy has a very live arm. I like him quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 13, 2003 Author Share Posted April 13, 2003 I agree, we should be bunting and testing Dmitri all day. He isn't a 3rd baseman by trade. Alomar strikes up on a high fastball, up and in. This Gary Knotts guy has a very live arm. I like him quite a bit. how much of it is this knotts guy is real good or we just suck probably a combo of both...jas this reminds me too much of '01 but if we make this lead hold up we go 4-2 on the road trip..something we couldnt do in this similiar funk in '01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Like you said Baggs, were not clicking on all cylinders yet we are winning. To me thats what matters. This team will WIN the close games the majority of the time. They will win a lot of games when they aren't on. Once this team is on, look out. I think a lot of it really is Knotts. He's got foul stuff. Plus, look at his ERA. He had one other start against us, but he pitched good against someone else too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 carlos has played errorless baseball in the field that is. and for his bat it will come around he might want to go see if he needes glasses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 13, 2003 Author Share Posted April 13, 2003 carlos has played errorless baseball in the field that is. and for his bat it will come around he might want to go see if he needes glasses though. be funny if all it was with carlos was he was a rick vaughn from major league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 carlos has played errorless baseball in the field that is. and for his bat it will come around he might want to go see if he needes glasses though. Errors are a terrible way to judge how a well a player fields, especially OFers. I could play errorless ball in the OF in the major leagues....but I'd be f***ing s***ty as hell out there. If I let everything drop in for hits....and just fielded the balls on hops and threw it in right on target....that'd be errorless ball. That is most definately NOT the way you want a major leaguer to play defense. He has no range, no arm...and he made a terrible play on a ball yesterday. Lee is terrible in the field....and he never will be a good OFer defensively either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Sox win! YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 You know, I dont think the Sox could have won this game without Bocachica for the Tigers. Every time there's a clutch at-bat, giving the Tigs a chance to add some runs, or a hit gets near him... Bocachica seems to not get the hit or drop the ball. He was having some serious probs in CF today. And his batting average has dropped to around 060. But mostly..... Bocachica. Bocachica. Bocachica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I wonder if Bocachica translates roughly to Tigers Lee? But I do have to give Carlos his props. His run made the difference in the game, and he earned scoring that run! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 13, 2003 Author Share Posted April 13, 2003 I wonder if Bocachica translates roughly to Tigers Lee? But I do have to give Carlos his props. His run made the difference in the game, and he earned scoring that run! something woke carlos up from his 3 years slumber today whoever or whatever it was...needs to come back to chicago on th eplane...bottle that stuff up...carlos actually l;ooked like a ballplayer that one at bat...hits behind the runner and gets rewarded with a base hit..then bowls over the catcher to score the game winning run..my questionm..where was this the last 4 years or so??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 2nd inning..runers on 1st and 2nd , no one out..up strolls carlos lee...perfect bunt situaton...but , we all know the debacle thats waiting to happen that is the '"carlos lee bunting experience" from last year...evidently manuel remembers all to well because after asking daubach to bunt to get the runner over he doesnt ask carlos to after brian got HBP...now , does carlos , knowing from last season how horrible his bunting was work on it in the off season???...i highly doubt it because if he did he would tried to bunt on his own and show jerry he is a team player... now if youre not bunting in that situation its imparitive to try and take the ball to RF and move the runners up...does carlos do this???...nope..its not even a thought in his mind as he swings at a pitch on the outer half of the plate , a perfect pitch to drive to RF , and proceeds to ground into a rally killing 5-4-3 DP...carlos couldnt do the team thing..he had to be the hero... these are the things that drive me nuts with carlos and have me just hating this guy as a ballplayer....THESE ARE THINGS THAT ANY HAS CONTROL OVER...bunting , hitting the eopposite way....ANY HITTER CAN DO OR LEARN TO DO THESE THINGS...any other ballplayer would have been so embarrassed by his efforts last year trying to bunt he would have worked his ass off to improve in that department..but i got a feeling carlos actually thinks he is in maggs catagory as a ballplayer and that a player of his stature should not be asked to bunt this team is truggling right now...we arnt getting big hits and we astranding runners everywhere...this situation it was important to move those runners up and score firt today...another example of carlos not being able to help the team unless he is tearing the cover off the ball...isnt it joe borchard time yet??? hopefully carlos redeems himself today with as big day..but that wont change the fact that this type of play will cost the team somewhere down the road...its a great reason why the twins finished ahead of the sox the last two seasons despite the sox being the better team on paper I know I felt the same way, at least take it to the opposite field. But Carlos did a good job of hitting Inge for the winning run. I just hope that he learns from his mistake, oh well Sox win! CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I agree, we should be bunting and testing Dmitri all day. He isn't a 3rd baseman by trade. Alomar strikes up on a high fastball, up and in. This Gary Knotts guy has a very live arm. I like him quite a bit. how much of it is this knotts guy is real good or we just suck probably a combo of both...jas this reminds me too much of '01 but if we make this lead hold up we go 4-2 on the road trip..something we couldnt do in this similiar funk in '01 Knotts has a good arm, he came from the Florida organization. Seems like most of the young arms that come out of Florida are pretty successful. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I see no similarities between 2001 and this season at all other than color of the uniforms. What the Tigers have is some future pitching. That is all they have. Our hitting needs to be more together. I missed the game because I had a meeting. How many did we LOB today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 How many did we LOB today? Not as many as yesterday but leaving runners on 3B with no one out is starting to take a toll on my blood pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 How many did we LOB today? Not as many as yesterday but leaving runners on 3B with no one out is starting to take a toll on my blood pressure. I am glad that I missed the game then because that makes me livid. How often did it happen? and who did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 How many did we LOB today? Not as many as yesterday but leaving runners on 3B with no one out is starting to take a toll on my blood pressure. I am glad that I missed the game then because that makes me livid. How often did it happen? and who did it? Twice that I can remember. I can remember one time specifically where Jimenez led off an inning with a triple after Bocachica let the ball go under his glove and that's where Jimenez died. The other time was in the 2-run 7th where a runner on third didn't score. Of course, in Detroit's only AB with a runner on third, he scored. Go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Back to Carlos...I seem to remember him in his first two ABs seeing exactly 2 pitches and recording 2 outs for himself. Not exactly the patient hitter we saw at the end of 2002 and in spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Carlos Lee is a LAZY ballplayer ..GOOD RIDDANCE PLEASE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 I agree, we should be bunting and testing Dmitri all day. He isn't a 3rd baseman by trade. Alomar strikes up on a high fastball, up and in. This Gary Knotts guy has a very live arm. I like him quite a bit. how much of it is this knotts guy is real good or we just suck probably a combo of both...jas this reminds me too much of '01 but if we make this lead hold up we go 4-2 on the road trip..something we couldnt do in this similiar funk in '01 Knotts has a good arm, he came from the Florida organization. Seems like most of the young arms that come out of Florida are pretty successful. CWSOX45 I'm pretty sure he came over in the Redman trade...didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Knotts did come over in the Mark Redmon deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Knotts did come over in the Mark Redmon deal. I wish we could have gotten Redman...but for a cheaper price. He cost them a good 1B prospect and a good pitching prospect. To put it plainly....that's too friggin much for a 12-15 win guy. It seems that when he was in Minnesota, he was killer. If he could shut down the Twinks consistently, and if he could do it for us, that'd be stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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