White Sox v. A's Spring Training game

[Jabroni]

I dont like Contreras, I like Garland...

 

If I wanna cheer for Garland I shouldnt have to have Jabroni following EVERY post with... "Well according to my stats.. blah blah blah bulls*** bulls*** bulls***"

 

Was Garlands ERA in the 5's last year... no it wasnt..

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Ahhh, you have given up the debate by changing the topic. Nice.

 

The fact is that wins and losses are the worst stat to judge pitchers by. By your logic, Contreras had a great season last year because he was 13-9, even though he had a 5.50 ERA.

 

Garland is a good 5th starter. That is all.

Edited March 29, 2005 by Jabroni

[T R U]

Ahhh, you have given up the debate by changing the topic.  Nice.  The fact is that wins and losses are the worst stat to judge pitchers by.  By your logic, Contreras had a great season last year because he was 19-9, even though he had a 5.50 ERA.

 

WOW! Contreras was 19 - 9 last season!!!

 

Damn I must have missed that one

 

and I stand by my Garland comments, no matter what you think about him.. so im not changing any subject

[Jabroni]

WOW! Contreras was 19 - 9 last season!!!

 

Damn I must have missed that one

 

and I stand by my Garland comments, no matter what you think about him.. so im not changing any subject

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Wow, ever heard of a typo? In fact, I edited my post with the correct information while you were posting this. The funny thing is that I said Contreras was 13-9 in an earlier post so it was obviously a typo.

Edited March 29, 2005 by Jabroni

[T R U]

Wow, ever heard of a typo?  In fact, I edited my post with the correct information even before you posted this. :rolly

 

wrong... I was in the middle of typing it, HENCE, the fact it still says 19 in my quote box.. so again, you are wrong

 

I dont like your boy Ozuna but you dont see me talking s*** about his lucky spring so far..

[T R U]

LMAO!!!! You did it again!!!

 

You keep changing your posts as I am writing a response so you dont look like a fool..

[Jabroni]

LMAO!!!! You did it again!!!

 

You keep changing your posts as I am writing a response so you dont look like a fool..

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Give it a rest. It was a typo, moron. Look at my earlier post when I said that Contreras was 13-9.

 

Did Contreras have a great season last year since he was 13-9, even though he had a 5.50 ERA?   :rolly

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Am I allowed to edit my posts to correct my typos? Or is that against your rules?

Edited March 29, 2005 by Jabroni

[ptatc]

I happen to agree with TRU on this one. I think with the boom of SABR that the one stat that is overlooked is wins. Take Kerry Wood for example. His stats always look good. Strikes out alot of guys, keeps the WHIP down, low ERA.

 

But can he win? No!! He throws so many pitches early in the game that with pitch counts as important that SABR make them , he must leave games early and the bullpen blows them. If he focused on economizing pitches and staying in games longer he wouldn't blow so many leads.

 

People always say that pitchers today down finish games like they used to,. This is because the pitchers of old threw strikes and finished 9 innings with 110-110 pitches. Ferguson Jenkins was once quoted as saying "I pitch well enopugh to win if that means giving up one run in a close game or taking it easy if we have a big lead and giving up 5 runs."

 

Give me a guy who has the most important stat: WINS anyday.

Edited March 29, 2005 by ptatc

[T R U]

Garland is a good 5th starter.  That is all.

 

If you think he is a good 5th starter, whats your point of getting so defensive when I cheer for him, or I say YESS Garland with the win??

 

What are you trying to prove, that I shouldnt like Garland because he gave up 5 runs today??

 

You just said yourself, hes a good 5th starter.. I dont recall claiming him a #1, all I said was Garland with the win.. your the one who came on here spouting stats and bulls*** that had nothing to do with anything..

 

I just said Garland with the win, why cant you be happy that we won?..

[Jabroni]

If you think he is a good 5th starter, whats your point of getting so defensive when I cheer for him, or I say YESS Garland with the win??

 

What are you trying to prove, that I shouldnt like Garland because he gave up 5 runs today??

 

You just said yourself, hes a good 5th starter.. I dont recall claiming him a #1, all I said was Garland with the win.. your the one who came on here spouting stats and bulls*** that had nothing to do with anything..

 

I just said Garland with the win, why cant you be happy that we won?..

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I am refuting the fact that you keep saying he is pitching well. Just because he is 3-0 this spring does not make that so. His horrible spring ERA indicates that he is NOT pitching well.

[T R U]

I happen to agree with TRU on this one. I think with the boom of SABR that the one stat that is overlooked is wins. Take Kerry Wood for example. His stats always look good. Strikes out alot of guys, keeps the WHIP down, low ERA.

 

But can he win? No!! He throws so many pitches early in the game that with pitch counts as important that SABR make them , he must leave games early and the bullpen blows them. If he focused on economizing pitches and staying in games longer he wouldn't blow so many leads.

 

People always say that pitchers today down finish games like they used to,. This is because the pitchers of old threw strikes and finished 9 innings with 110-110 pitches. Ferguson Jenkins was once quoted as saying "I pitch well enopugh to win if that means giving up one run in a close game or taking it easy if we have a big lead and giving up 5 runs."

 

Give me a guy who has the most important stat: WINS anyday.

 

Thanks my man..

 

Exactly, if you can get me a win I dont care how many runs you gave up today... We go out there to win, its not all pitching.. you see, we have these things called hitters.. their job in this game called Baseball is to hit the ball, and score runs.. You score the most runs, your team will win the game..

 

These rules, while complicated Jabroni, is how the game is played.. do you follow

[T R U]

I am refuting the fact that you keep saying he is pitching well.  Just because he is 3-0 this spring does not make that so.  His horrible spring ERA indicates that he is NOT pitching well.

 

Where did I say he was pitching well.. you asked me his ERA and I said its in the 6's, this whole time I have been saying I dont care about what he gives up, Ill take the win

 

Your the one who is thinking I claimed him to be the Ace of the roatation

[Jabroni]

Thanks my man..

 

Exactly, if you can get me a win I dont care how many runs you gave up today... We go out there to win, its not all pitching.. you see, we have these things called hitters.. their job in this game called Baseball is to hit the ball, and score runs.. You score the most runs, your team will win the game..

 

These rules, while complicated Jabroni, is how the game is played.. do you follow

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So what happens when Garland gives up 5 or 6 runs but our offense doesn't score that many? You can't expect your offense to score 6 runs a game.

[T R U]

So what happens when Garland gives up 5 or 6 runs but our offense doesn't score that many?  You can't expect your offense to score 6 runs a game.

 

Garland gave up 5 today, does that mean he will give up 5 next? or the game after? no.

 

EDIT: On top of not expecting an offense to score 6 a game, that doesnt mean your counting on your pitcher to throw a shut out every time he takes the mound..

Edited March 29, 2005 by T R U

[ptatc]

So what happens when Garland gives up 5 or 6 runs but our offense doesn't score that many?  You can't expect your offense to score 6 runs a game.

 

What happens when he gives up 1 run and the offense scores 0? Do you say he did his job? Garland will. His job is to be better than the other teams pitcher. That is why the win is assigned to the pitchers.

Edited March 29, 2005 by ptatc

[T R U]

What happens when he gives up 1 run and the offense scores 0? Do you say he did his job? Garland will. His job is to be better than the other teams pitcher. That is why the win is assigned to the pitchers.

 

Dude you have been on the money all night... my props go to you my man, you bring up excellent points

Edited March 29, 2005 by T R U

[Jabroni]

What happens when he gives up 1 run and the offense scores 0? Do you say he did his job? Garland will. His job is to be better than the other teams pitcher. That is why the win is assigned to the pitchers.

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If he gave up only 1 run that would be a great outing. Giving up 5 runs in 6 innings is not.

[T R U]

If he gave up only 1 run that would be a great outing.  Giving up 5 runs in 6 innings is not.

 

but he got the win, so who cares

 

EDIT: BTW, I never said he had a great outing.. all I said was Garland with the win baybeeeeee...

Edited March 29, 2005 by T R U

[Jabroni]

but he got the win, so who cares

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I do. If a pitcher gives up 10 runs but the offense scores 11 so the pitcher gets the win, does that mean he pitched well? Of course not. That means that the offense performed well but the pitcher struggled mightily. Is it ever a good thing when a pitcher's ERA is high instead of low?

[T R U]

I do.  If a pitcher gives up 10 runs but the offense scores 11 so the pitcher gets the win, does that mean he pitched well?  Of course not.  That means that the offense performed well but the pitcher struggled mightily.  Is it ever a good thing when a pitcher's ERA is high instead of low?

 

Dude, its one game... is he gonna give up 10 runs every outing??? NO..

 

I still cant get past the fact you would rather b**** about giving up 5 runs instead of being happy that he got the win and the Sox win..

Edited March 29, 2005 by T R U

[Jabroni]

Dude, its one game... is he gonna give up 10 runs every outing??? NO..

 

I still cant get past the fact you would rather b**** about giving up 5 runs instead of being happy that he got the win and the Sox win..

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You are missing the point of my post. I never said he would give up 10 runs every outing. My point is that just because a pitcher gets a win doesn't mean he pitched well. Wins and losses are the absolute worst stat to judge a pitcher by.

 

By the way, I'm happy about the Sox winning today but it was more because of the offense than Garland's crappy outing. Garland has sucked for most of Spring Training. Why would I be happy about that?

Edited March 29, 2005 by Jabroni

[WHarris1]

T R U out of curiosity who would you say had a better year last year Garland or Contreras?

[T R U]

You are missing the point of my post.  I never said he would give up 10 runs every outing.  My point is that just because a pitcher gets a win doesn't mean he pitched well.  Wins and losses are the absolute worst stat to judge a pitcher by.

 

By the way, I'm happy about the Sox winning today but it was more because of the offense than Garland's crappy outing.  Garland has sucked for most of Spring Training.  Why would I be happy about that?

 

Once again, I never claimed he pitched well today... and Garland got the win, thats good enough for me from his outing today

[T R U]

T R U out of curiosity who would you say had a better year last year Garland or Contreras?

 

Garland did, easy

[ptatc]

If he gave up only 1 run that would be a great outing.  Giving up 5 runs in 6 innings is not.

 

I don't agree that it would be a great outing. He did not WIN. It's kind of semantics but since he didn't win, he didn't do his job.

[Jabroni]

I don't agree that it would be a great outing. He did not WIN. It's kind of semantics but since he didn't win, he didn't do his job.

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So you are saying that a pitcher can't have a good outing without getting a win?