hammerhead johnson Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I picked up Dan Haren a couple weeks ago, but apparently, the guy just sucks or what? It's looking like I'm gonna have to drop him. What about Meyer and Blanton? What do people honestly think about Oakland's 3-4-5 right now? Is Haren worth holding onto, what with his damn near 7 ERA this spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I picked up Blanton late in one league but we really don't know what to expect from guys other than Zito or Harden. Unless there's someone proven available, I would have a hard time dropping an Oakland starter just based on potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Hammerhead, are you in a keeper league? I wouldn't expect a whole lot from any of Blanton/Meyer/Haren this year, but next year, all three should have a shot to shine... And, if you can grab Rich Harden in a league, I definitely recommend (sp) doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 2, 2005 Author Share Posted April 2, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 03:14 AM) Hammerhead, are you in a keeper league? I wouldn't expect a whole lot from any of Blanton/Meyer/Haren this year, but next year, all three should have a shot to shine... And, if you can grab Rich Harden in a league, I definitely recommend (sp) doing so. Rich Harden was actually a 4th round pick in my league (Soxtalk League #3). He went ahead of guys like Halladay, Burnett, Zito, etc. You'd have to think that one of those three (Blanton/Meyer/Haren) could kick ass this year, and all three went undrafted. If I'm going after SP sleepers, I look at good offensive teams who play in great pitching conditions (Mariners, Athletics, etc). I have Madritsch and Haren, but no other sleeper SPs. Edited April 2, 2005 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 2, 2005 Author Share Posted April 2, 2005 QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:11 AM) I picked up Blanton late in one league but we really don't know what to expect from guys other than Zito or Harden. Unless there's someone proven available, I would have a hard time dropping an Oakland starter just based on potential. Tom Glavine is available, and I did draft him in the last round, but I decided to go with Haren instead. Joel Pineiro is also available. I had him on my team last year & I dunno if I want to relive that experience. I have in my watch list, though. I might add him depending on what he does in his first few starts. Aaron Harang (Cincinatti Reds) has had intriguing stats this spring, but everything that I've read says he sucks. I have him and Luke Wilson on my watch list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 06:12 PM) Rich Harden was actually a 4th round pick in my league (Soxtalk League #3). He went ahead of guys like Halladay, Burnett, Zito, etc. You'd have to think that one of those three (Blanton/Meyer/Haren) could kick ass this year, and all three went undrafted. If I'm going after SP sleepers, I look at good offensive teams who play in great pitching conditions (Mariners, Athletics, etc). I have Madritsch and Haren, but no other sleeper SPs. Meyer is gonna start at AAA... Oakland's 5th if gonna be Kirk Saarloos for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Apr 2, 2005 -> 12:06 AM) Meyer is gonna start at AAA... Oakland's 5th if gonna be Kirk Saarloos for now. Ya, I drafted Meyer in a keeper league, I thought he was worth the risk. Anyways I don't care how bad Meyer pitched in the spring, he's better then saarloos. Kirk will get creamed in the al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 Saarloos is only better if you need to "buy a vowel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotop Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 I guess I'm in the minority here, but I like Haren a lot. He's got good stuff, and towards the end of last year and during the postseason he pitched pretty well. He seems to me like a young guy who just misses bats, and I'm assuming he'll get a good amount of Ks for you. However, you'll have to put up with the growing pains, but for a guy pitching in the colisseum it shouldn't be that bad. If your looking for bargain bin pitching, guys like haren, bonderman, etc. are the way to go because they get Ks. Granted, Haren isn't to bonderman's level yet, or an oliver perez type level at all...but he's got everything you would think in someone who could "potentially" breakout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 04:18 PM) Tom Glavine is available, and I did draft him in the last round, but I decided to go with Haren instead. Joel Pineiro is also available. I had him on my team last year & I dunno if I want to relive that experience. I have in my watch list, though. I might add him depending on what he does in his first few starts. Aaron Harang (Cincinatti Reds) has had intriguing stats this spring, but everything that I've read says he sucks. I have him and Luke Wilson on my watch list. Don't look at spring stats too hard. You got to remember lots of time pitchers are working on new pitches or specifically working on one of their pitches. I know I saw Escobar pitch for the Angels this spring and he got hammered, but he was working his changeup almost exclusively. Guys pitch a lot different in spring then they would in the majors (at least those guys with major league jobs). Plus anyone that depends on the breaking ball in Arizona tends to have an inflated ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 6, 2005 Author Share Posted April 6, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Fotop @ Apr 5, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) I guess I'm in the minority here, but I like Haren a lot. He's got good stuff, and towards the end of last year and during the postseason he pitched pretty well. He seems to me like a young guy who just misses bats, and I'm assuming he'll get a good amount of Ks for you. However, you'll have to put up with the growing pains, but for a guy pitching in the colisseum it shouldn't be that bad. If your looking for bargain bin pitching, guys like haren, bonderman, etc. are the way to go because they get Ks. Granted, Haren isn't to bonderman's level yet, or an oliver perez type level at all...but he's got everything you would think in someone who could "potentially" breakout. I am torn as to whether or not I should start Haren in Baltimore on Thursday. I have contemplated starting him only in home games and in a select few away games (Seattle, Detroit, etc). Bonderman went kind of high in a lot of drafts. I usually load up on baseball fantasy magazines, and it seems like every last one has Bonderman down as a "can't miss" sleeper. I now have my eye on Blue Jay starter Gustavo Chacin, who performed very well in his first start & won 18 games last year between AA and AAA. I'm also very intrigued by Kazmir and Brazelton, but they're both so raw... Edited April 6, 2005 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 6, 2005 Author Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 05:52 AM) Don't look at spring stats too hard. You got to remember lots of time pitchers are working on new pitches or specifically working on one of their pitches. I know I saw Escobar pitch for the Angels this spring and he got hammered, but he was working his changeup almost exclusively. Guys pitch a lot different in spring then they would in the majors (at least those guys with major league jobs). Plus anyone that depends on the breaking ball in Arizona tends to have an inflated ERA. I hear that, especially if we're talking about starters who have proven themselves in the majors. Spring stats don't mean jack in a majority of cases because those players with job security are looking to better themselves, and therefore, naturally, there's gonna be trial and error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 07:55 PM) I am torn as to whether or not I should start Haren in Baltimore on Thursday. I have contemplated starting him only in home games and in a select few away games (Seattle, Detroit, etc). Haren's line from his first start of the season in Baltimore: 6 IP 1.50 ERA (1 RUN ALLOWED) 1.00 WHIP (3 HITS, 3 WALKS) 6 STRIKEOUTS Not bad. Good thing I started him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 But then again, look at the start that Saarloos had against Baltimore on Wednesday: W 6 IP 0.00 ERA 0.33 WHIP (1 HIT, 0 WALKS) 2 STRIKEOUTS I know that pitchers usually get the jump on hitters in April, but come on. Mora, Tejada, Sosa, Palmeiro, Lopez, etc? One f***ing hit through 6 innings against Kirk Saarloos? And then they follow that up with 3 hits through 6 innings off of Dan Haren? That's hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 i say you wait until each pitcher gets another start to really break down their value, personally i like haren but hes gonna get shelled when he faces good teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 19, 2005 Author Share Posted April 19, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 07:55 PM) I am torn as to whether or not I should start Haren in Baltimore on Thursday. I have contemplated starting him only in home games and in a select few away games (Seattle, Detroit, etc). I now have my eye on Blue Jay starter Gustavo Chacin, who performed very well in his first start & won 18 games last year between AA and AAA. I'm also very intrigued by Kazmir and Brazelton, but they're both so raw... So far, Chacin and Haren are working out great for me. Two starts for Chacin since I acquired him = two wins, no problem. Chacin 19 IP 3 WINS 10 STRIKEOUS 1.42 ERA 0.89 WHIP Haren 19 IP 1 WIN 16 STRIKEOUTS 2.37 ERA 1.16 WHIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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