daa84 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) tim kurkijian will be on espn news sometime between 2-2:30 talking about teh twins and sox, ill let you know what he says....tho he is normally an idiot, maybe people still wanna know what hes gotta say Edited March 31, 2005 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:09 PM) tim kurkijian will be on espn news sometime between 2-2:30 talking about teh twins and sox, ill let you know what he says....tho he is normally an idiot, maybe people still wanna know what hes gotta say Let me guess....Twins win the division? Just for kicks, I'll be interested in what he has to say. He not as bad as Gammons and Reynolds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:09 PM) tim kurkijian will be on espn news sometime between 2-2:30 talking about teh twins and sox, ill let you know what he says....tho he is normally an idiot, maybe people still wanna know what hes gotta say Said he likes the twins alot, twins will win the division they have the best starting pitching, and good young core (mauer and morneau) White Sox: says he talked to someone who he said thinks the sox will win the division. Hes not sure about the defense and teh starting pitching, but he thinks they need to prove alot of things. mentions the homers at the cell, and the fact that the sox got away from a power team. he doesnt think the sox are as good defensively as they were last year. so essentially, it was a regurgitation of all the info that the rest of the national media is saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 08:17 PM) Said he likes the twins alot, twins will win the division they have the best starting pitching, and good young core (mauer and morneau) White Sox: says he talked to someone who he said thinks the sox will win the division. Hes not sure about the defense and teh starting pitching, but he thinks they need to prove alot of things. mentions the homers at the cell, and the fact that the sox got away from a power team. he doesnt think the sox are as good defensively as they were last year. so essentially, it was a regurgitation of all the info that the rest of the national media is saying It was a fair analysis. Why should we be picked over the Twins? They have a better bullpen, a Cy Young pitcher (though not necessarily a better staff), and they have guys that makes most teams drool over having in Morneau and Mauer. Not to mention they've won the division three years running... What he said was fair -- if things go right, the Sox -- as well as the Indians -- can take the division. But the Twins are a pretty safe bet. That doesn't mean they'll win it, but as far as people making their picks, they're the safest bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Said he likes the twins alot, twins will win the division they have the best starting pitching, and good young core (mauer and morneau) White Sox: says he talked to someone who he said thinks the sox will win the division. Hes not sure about the defense and teh starting pitching, but he thinks they need to prove alot of things. mentions the homers at the cell, and the fact that the sox got away from a power team. he doesnt think the sox are as good defensively as they were last year. so essentially, it was a regurgitation of all the info that the rest of the national media is saying <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, I just don't understand how the Sox defense could be worse this season than last season... 2004 Lineup: 2005 Lineup: 1B Konerko 1B Konerko 2B Uribe 2B Iguchi 3B Crede 3B Crede SS Valentin SS Uribe LF Lee LF Podsednik CF Rowand CF Rowand RF Ordonez RF Dye C Olivo C Pierzynski We are the same defensively at 1B, 3B, and CF. We got slightly worse at 2B from Uribe to Iguchi. We got worse at C from Olivo to Pierzynski. We got alot better at SS from Valentin to Uribe. We got alot better at LF from Lee to Podsednik. We got slightly better at RF from Ordonez to Dye (2000 A.L. Gold Glove). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) Okay, I just don't understand how the Sox defense could be worse this season than last season... 2004 Lineup: 2005 Lineup: 1B Konerko 1B Konerko 2B Uribe 2B Iguchi 3B Crede 3B Crede SS Valentin SS Uribe LF Lee LF Podsednik CF Rowand CF Rowand RF Ordonez RF Dye C Olivo C Pierzynski We are the same defensively at 1B, 3B, and CF. We got slightly worse at 2B from Uribe to Iguchi. We got worse at C from Olivo to Pierzynski. We got alot better at SS from Valentin to Uribe. We got alot better at LF from Lee to Podsednik. We got slightly better at RF from Ordonez to Dye (2000 A.L. Gold Glove). I agree. While it might not be a stellar defense, it is sure better than the one we had last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) It was a fair analysis. Why should we be picked over the Twins? They have a better bullpen, a Cy Young pitcher (though not necessarily a better staff), and they have guys that makes most teams drool over having in Morneau and Mauer. Not to mention they've won the division three years running... What he said was fair -- if things go right, the Sox -- as well as the Indians -- can take the division. But the Twins are a pretty safe bet. That doesn't mean they'll win it, but as far as people making their picks, they're the safest bet. im not sayin what he said wasnt fair, im just saying that its crappy old info and he hasnt really said anything that hasnt been said before. I agree with him that the twins should be picked #1, the reasons and info he gave have just been said many many times already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) Okay, I just don't understand how the Sox defense could be worse this season than last season... 2004 Lineup: 2005 Lineup: 1B Konerko 1B Konerko 2B Uribe 2B Iguchi 3B Crede 3B Crede SS Valentin SS Uribe LF Lee LF Podsednik CF Rowand CF Rowand RF Ordonez RF Dye C Olivo C Pierzynski We are the same defensively at 1B, 3B, and CF. We got slightly worse at 2B from Uribe to Iguchi. We got worse at C from Olivo to Pierzynski. We got alot better at SS from Valentin to Uribe. We got alot better at LF from Lee to Podsednik. We got slightly better at RF from Ordonez to Dye (2000 A.L. Gold Glove). Some may disagree with me, but I believe that we have gotten better defensively with the addition of Pierzynski over Olivo. Sure MO had a helluva a arm, but Pierzynski has the right mindset, one of the weaknesses of Olivo according to some sources was that he had trouble calling a good defensive game. We all know that we are going to get a mastermind behind the plate in Pierzynski, even though he has trouble throwing out baserunners. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 mastermind? I've heard much differently. Anyways-I am surprised that there is any dispute about whether our D was better a year ago. We are much better now. I totally disagree with ost of the moves of this offseason and feel we are a worse team but I would never say that we aren't better on D. That is for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Besides LF, what other position on the 25 man is not better or equal to what it was to start last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) Besides LF, what other position on the 25 man is not better or equal to what it was to start last season? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Offensively, Dye is a downgrade from Magg$. That's about all I can think of. Edited March 31, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) Offensively, Dye is a downgrade from Magg$. That's about all I can think of. s***, I meant over the whole year. Because I was thinking Dye>Maggs/Borchard/Timo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) s***, I meant over the whole year. Because I was thinking Dye>Maggs/Borchard/Timo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good point. Since Magg$ barely played last season Dye should be an upgrade. Edited March 31, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Some may disagree with me, but I believe that we have gotten better defensively with the addition of Pierzynski over Olivo. Sure MO had a helluva a arm, but Pierzynski has the right mindset, one of the weaknesses of Olivo according to some sources was that he had trouble calling a good defensive game. We all know that we are going to get a mastermind behind the plate in Pierzynski, even though he has trouble throwing out baserunners. Actually, Pierzynski has sucked at both throwing runners out and calling games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Olivo wasn't good defensively, but he had a good arm. Kurkjian used the "people I talked to say the White Sox will win the division" line a couple of months ago because someone he talked to said the Sox had a great rotation because Garland is the fifth starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) Okay, I just don't understand how the Sox defense could be worse this season than last season... 2004 Lineup: 2005 Lineup: 1B Konerko 1B Konerko 2B Uribe 2B Iguchi 3B Crede 3B Crede SS Valentin SS Uribe LF Lee LF Podsednik CF Rowand CF Rowand RF Ordonez RF Dye C Olivo C Pierzynski We are the same defensively at 1B, 3B, and CF. We got slightly worse at 2B from Uribe to Iguchi. We got worse at C from Olivo to Pierzynski. We got alot better at SS from Valentin to Uribe. We got alot better at LF from Lee to Podsednik. We got slightly better at RF from Ordonez to Dye (2000 A.L. Gold Glove). Some may call me crazy, but I personally feel that our defense was better last year then it is this year. Valentin and Uribe are essentially equal(then again, I really like Jose defensively...rarely makes the wrong throw, great range, and a strong arm...the majors knock on him are his hands and his erratic throwing arm). The outfield is slightly upgraded, with more speed in LF, and a stronger arm in RF(however, Maggs range factor has always been a little above average, while Dye's has been right around average or slightly below average his entire career...Maggs being a little faster then Dye probably has something to do with it). And then factor in that Willie started quite a few games at 2B too, and our infield defense was often Crede-Uribe-Harris-Konerko from 3B to 1B. I honestly just don't view us as being better defensively. I would say we are about the same when it comes right down to it...an upgrade here or there, and a downgrade here or there...nothing major. Offensively, I doubt we score as many runs as we have in the past, but we have never had this versatility offensively(assuming everything works correctly). The Sox have almost always been primarily a station to station offense depending on the double or homer. This year, it's not so much. Also, our weakest hitter going into the year is Crede at 3B(or maybe Podsednik, if you want to look at last year as more of reality...I view him finding middle ground, but that's just me)...last year, in the second half of the year, he was the 4th weakest(ahead of Davis, Valentin, and Jomo Berez). I also like our overall depth much more then last year. We have probably 10 guys on the 40 man who can pitch in the pen, 7 or 8 that will be able to start, quite a few outfielders, and a couple catchers too. Our weakest spot is undoubtedly up the middle, and even there, Ozuna isn't like Joe Borchard circa 04 bad, and if they hang onto Willie, he is decent as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) I really like Jose defensively...rarely makes the wrong throw, great range, and a strong arm...the majors knock on him are his hands and his erratic throwing arm). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=4948 Baserunning & Defense Valentin loved playing alongside Robbie Alomar in the second half of 2003. He had 20 errors but botched fewer routine plays than in recent seasons. He has only average range but throws well, allowing him to get outs on plays that could have gone for infield singles. Valentin has played the game hard for a long time, taking a toll on his legs. He's an aggressive baserunner who still takes chances as if he was as fast as ever. Edited March 31, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 11:52 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=4948 ??? His RF was 4.91, .09 below Miguel Tejada's -- who I believe was among the best in RF. The ESPN Scouting Report doesn't say a whole lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 ??? His RF was 4.91, .09 below Miguel Tejada's -- who I believe was among the best in RF. The ESPN Scouting Report doesn't say a whole lot... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just posted that for comparison's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 His zone rating was also among the best in the league too, but I can't seem to find both his 2004 zone rating and the league leaders for zone rating in 04. IIRC, he had the best zone rating in the AL. Really, the only knocks on Jose defensively are an erratic throwing arm and bad hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) His zone rating was also among the best in the league too, but I can't seem to find both his 2004 zone rating and the league leaders for zone rating in 04. IIRC, he had the best zone rating in the AL. Really, the only knocks on Jose defensively are an erratic throwing arm and bad hands. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Still doesn't mean s*** to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) Still doesn't mean s*** to me! Thanks for posting that I know it doesn't mean s*** to you...that's fine. I have no problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Butter Parque @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) Actually, Pierzynski has sucked at both throwing runners out and calling games. Far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Far from it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Isn't Pierzynski good at calling games and blocking balls? I thought just his throwing arm sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 It was said we were weak up the middle defensively, and I have to disagree. Starting with AJ, last year our catchers were Olivo, Alomar and Burke ... the Davis in place of Alomar. Olivo had a great arm, but was nothing special defensively otherwise. His game calling contributed to his getting traded, and that is a big part of the overall defensive aspects of catching. AJ, I don't know about his day in day out defensive game yet, but I know this much. When he was sitting behind the plate for the Twins, the Sox players HATED him. He got into their heads. There may not be a stat for that, but it should be part of the equation. At SS, we have a gold glove caliber guy there in Uribe. Valentin was not the defensive butcher a lot make him out to be, but Uribe should prove to be an improvement in the making plays department. If he has 75% of the baseball instincts that JV has, he'll be an upgrade at SS. Iguchi ... who knows? He was very good with the leather in Japan, but he's not in Japan now. He, apparently, has the capabilities if we give him to make some adjustments. We do have slick Willie as late inning replacement if needed and he's good with glove. Rowand is Rowand .... that balances from last year of course. The only difference this year is Podsednik serves as a capable backup when ARow is not in the lineup. He'll be better in CF than Harris, Everett or Borchard were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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