Punch and Judy Garland Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I haven't heard/read his exact comments but I am thinking it has something to do with run differentials and how ours are always great. Rob needs to get over his anti-Minnesota angle. It really irks him that they win with an anti-moneyball philosophy. As much as I hate Minnesota, and I do, I'd love to hear what Neyer would say abotu an Anaheim-Minnesota ALCS. I'm sure he'd just call it luck, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) Rob Neyer is a gas-bag. He didn't even know that we signed Jermaine Dye in one of his articles. Remember? Edited March 31, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 So let me get the theme of this site right... if you don't pick the sox you're an idiot. if you do pick the sox you're a gas-bag. /seems fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) So let me get the theme of this site right... if you don't pick the sox you're an idiot. if you do pick the sox you're a gas-bag. /seems fair. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Once again, I stated why Neyer is a gas-bag. Neyer didn't even know that the White Sox had signed Jermaine Dye when he was reviewing our offseason in one of his ESPN articles. He had the Sox as having one of the 10 worst offseasons in the MLB... "As bad as it gets" Monday, January 31 Chicago White Sox Gained: Tadahito Iguchi, A.J. Pierzynski, Orlando Hernandez, Scott Podsednik Lost: Carlos Lee It might reasonably be argued that the White Sox don't belong on this list, especially considering that I've left the Reds off the list. But that Lee-for-Podsednik trade just keeps eating at me, and I suspect that only Iguchi, who of course is unknown to most of us, is capable of saving this winter for the Sox. And then in his next article... "Difficult to quantify outfield arms" Friday, February 4 Following up on another column, just as I was overwhelmed with e-mail about Dwight Evans, earlier this week I was overwhelmed with e-mail about Jermaine Dye. As in, "How could you write about the White Sox's offseason moves and not mention Jermaine Dye?" Guilty as charged. My source for offseason moves left something to be desired (which is the source's fault) and I didn't take the time to double-check (which of course was my fault). I'm still not convinced the White Sox got much better this winter, but signing Jermaine Dye probably does remove them from the "10 Teams That Did the Least to Help Themselves" list. So if you're a White Sox fan, feel free to replace them with the Reds or the Phillies. Give me a break, Neyer is a hack. It's nice that he picked the Sox but he's still bad at what he does. How could you miss a major signing for the team's offseason that you are reviewing? Edited March 31, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 I wasn't criticizing the pick, just his "likely" reasonign which I have never heard. It's just a hunch from reading him over the years. I actually like Neyer even though I often disagree with him. He's always been great about sending me back e-mail responses. He's just one of those guys with different views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 10:13 PM) So let me get the theme of this site right... if you don't pick the sox you're an idiot. if you do pick the sox you're a gas-bag. /seems fair. If you pick the Sox -- and praise every move they made, I think you're in the clear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 If you pick the Sox -- and praise every move they made, I think you're in the clear... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, but if you don't even know all of the moves that a team made during their offseason or care to double-check, what credibility do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 10:32 PM) No, but if you don't even know all of the moves that a team made during their offseason or care to double-check, what credibility do you have? Got it. A journalist who forgets a single signing (and then publicly admits his mistake) is clearly an utter moron, worthy only of derision till the end of his career. So does this apply to posters too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) Got it. A journalist who forgets a single signing (and then publicly admits his mistake) is clearly an utter moron, worthy only of derision till the end of his career. So does this apply to posters too? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Neyer did not know about the Dye signing and did not even double-check his "sources" yet he still wrote an article saying that the White Sox had one of the 10 worst offseasons in baseball. He allowed this article to be published at ESPN.com. Now he is picking the White Sox to win the A.L. Central? Neyer may not be an utter moron but he is clearly a hack. Edited March 31, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 05:55 PM) Neyer did not know about the Dye signing and did not even double-check his "sources" yet he still wrote an article saying that the White Sox had one of the 10 worst offseasons in baseball. He allowed this article to be published at ESPN.com. Now he is picking the White Sox to win the A.L. Central? Neyer may not be an utter moron but he is clearly a hack. Some could argue that the A's had quite possibly the worst offseason in the majors. Tear apart the big 3 and have 3 young starters(or maybe 2 young starters and that Japanese pitcher they signed too)? Yet they could also make an argument as to why they will win the division...a very solid offense from 1-9 and a very strong bullpen, to go along with a patchwork rotation will still win a lot of games - just ask Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 11:55 PM) Neyer did not know about the Dye signing and did not even double-check his "sources" yet he still wrote an article saying that the White Sox had one of the top 10 worst offseasons in baseball. He allowed this article to be published at ESPN.com. Neyer may not be an utter moron but he is clearly a hack. He made a mistake and admitted it. That's why all newspapers have the little oops square -- this happens every day. If you want to argue with his analysis, go ahead. But the NYT makes dumb mistakes, that doesn't mean it's a "hack" paper. Deadlines mean errors, deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) He made a mistake and admitted it. That's why all newspapers have the little oops square -- this happens every day. If you want to argue with his analysis, go ahead. But the NYT makes dumb mistakes, that doesn't mean it's a "hack" paper. Deadlines mean errors, deal with it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then explain to me why Neyer is now picking the White Sox to win the A.L. Central after saying that they had one of the 10 worst offseasons in baseball. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. It's almost like he heard from someone else that the White Sox would be good this season so he just agreed. HACK. Edited April 1, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Where did Neyer predict the Sox to win the AL Central? Was it on ESPN or something? I don't recall a link... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 12:11 AM) Then explain to me why Neyer is now picking the White Sox to win the A.L. Central after saying that they had one of the 10 worst offseasons in baseball. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. It's almost like he heard from someone else that the White Sox would be good this season so he just agreed. HACK. Umm... He changed his mind after learning of the Dye signing. From the article that YOU cited: "signing Jermaine Dye probably does remove them from the '10 Teams That Did the Least to Help Themselves' list". Did you not read this before posting it? So if he thought they didn't improve much, but probably just had bad luck last year, he'd still pick them to win if noone else improved much (which seems obvious in this division, except arguably Detroit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 05:13 PM) So let me get the theme of this site right... if you don't pick the sox you're an idiot. if you do pick the sox you're a gas-bag. /seems fair. Let's add to this list. If you don't talk about the Sox you're awful. Wow, the media is horrible these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Umm... He changed his mind after learning of the Dye signing. From the article that YOU cited: "signing Jermaine Dye probably does remove them from the '10 Teams That Did the Least to Help Themselves' list". Did you not read this before posting it? So if he thought they didn't improve much, but probably just had bad luck last year, he'd still pick them to win if noone else improved much (which seems obvious in this division, except arguably Detroit). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So in Neyer's opinion, signing Dye removed the Sox from the list of 10 teams that had the worst offseason and made them the favorite to win the A.L. Central? Are you for real? The guy is a back-tracking hack. How are you defending this kind of rubbish? :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 06:11 PM) Then explain to me why Neyer is now picking the White Sox to win the A.L. Central after saying that they had one of the 10 worst offseasons in baseball. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. It's almost like he heard from someone else that the White Sox would be good this season so he just agreed. HACK. look up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 12:25 AM) So in Neyer's opinion, signing Dye removed the Sox from the list of 10 teams that had the worst offseason and made them the favorite to win the A.L. Central? Are you for real? The guy is a back-tracking hack. How are you defending this kind of rubbish? :headshake Neyer says without signing Dye, the Sox have (he admits, arguably) one of the 10 worst offseasons in baseball. If they do, then they are better than 10, middle of the pack. Minnesota and Cleveland also don't do much, are middle of the pack. The Sox had some bad luck last year, plus the fact that Minnesota has a very weak infield, means the Sox win this year. Pretty simple, entirely consistent...unless one has a bone to pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 I got this as a side comment made on today's Hot List with everyone's favorite porcupined-hair host Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) Neyer says without signing Dye, the Sox have (he admits, arguably) one of the 10 worst offseasons in baseball. If they do, then they are better than 10, middle of the pack. Minnesota and Cleveland also don't do much, are middle of the pack. The Sox had some bad luck last year, plus the fact that Minnesota has a very weak infield, means the Sox win this year. Pretty simple, entirely consistent...unless one has a bone to pick. HACK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 05:51 PM) Got it. A journalist who forgets a single signing (and then publicly admits his mistake) is clearly an utter moron, worthy only of derision till the end of his career. So does this apply to posters too? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There was no excuse for Neyer to forget the Dye signing considering he called Dye the best free agent bargain not too long before writing that article. He also blamed his "sources" for forgetting to list Dye. He deserves the criticism. Edited April 1, 2005 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 12:38 AM) There was no excuse for Neyer to forget the Dye signing considering he call Dye the best free agent bargain not too long before writing that article. He also blamed his "sources" for forgetting to list Dye. He deserves the criticism. He still apologized for forgetting it (which I'll admit, is pretty dumb -- especially when you consider it your best free agent bargain) -- unlike some of our local writers... (Mariotti) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 what about Mariotti? Did you hear him three weeks ago repeating some annoying vague phrase : "This isn't the same Tom Izzo" . Good call by the man some here refer to as Kotex Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 12:38 AM) There was no excuse for Neyer to forget the Dye signing considering he called Dye the best free agent bargain not too long before writing that article. He also blamed his "sources" for forgetting to list Dye. He deserves the criticism. This logic -- that making one dumb mistake makes your analysis automatic garbage forever more -- I don't agree with that at all. How many posters here would have any credibility left if that rule were applied? This is just a way of trying to attack someone's arguments without looking at the arguments, which I'll never accept. I know that many people here hate sabermetrics. Fine, don't listen to Neyer. I think sabermetrics has a good deal of value, yet I'm often sceptical of his opinions. But judging from what I've read, he knows a LOT of baseball history, loves the game, and is anything but a 'hack'. Trying to throw out everything he's written on forgetting where the great Jermaine Dye signed (c'mon, "bargain" does not mean "cornerstone") is weak. Btw, I believe he did put the A's on the 10 worst offseason list -- no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) There was no excuse for Neyer to forget the Dye signing considering he called Dye the best free agent bargain not too long before writing that article. He also blamed his "sources" for forgetting to list Dye. He deserves the criticism. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep, I forgot about that. Neyer said that Dye would be one of the best free agent bargain signings of the offseason... November 12, 2004 Neyer: To Dye for "Jermaine Dye, Richard Hidalgo and J.D. Drew are among Rob Neyer's best free-agent OF buys for 2005." ... And then he didn't even know which team had signed Dye. :headshake Edited April 1, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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