Hanoi Jane admits she was wrong

[Pauly8509CWS]

I haven't posted many true, but others do to balance it out.  And I encourage you to post bad articles about Canada if you want.

 

I've had enough NHL lockout coverage already this year...

[LowerCaseRepublican]

North Korea, perhaps?

 

Regarding the free speech issue, I'm not sure what's worse: Jane Fonda committing treason by aiding the North Vietnamese or KWF's Small Canadian Penis Syndrome causing him to constantly bash the U.S. government.

 

Yes because every critic of the US government has small genetalia. Oh wait, you mean that's not an argument? Holy s***! There goes your post. Actually, if we take out all the useless, insulting bulls***, let's see what we have left of your post:

 

North Korea perhaps?

 

Because god forbid we have any criticism of policy in this country. Blindly follow government dictums because we know how well that's worked before and our government has never lied to us before

 

Because it'd be a Communist like Tom Paine to say something like: It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

This is gotta be up there on the list of most hijacked thread ever.

 

:rolly

[WilliamTell]

This is gotta be up there on the list of most hijacked thread ever.

 

  :rolly

 

 

 

Yeah I know, everyone posting on this thread is really testy, including me.

[TheBigHurt35]

Yes because every critic of the US government has small genetalia. Oh wait, you mean that's not an argument?  Holy s***! There goes your post.

 

I have a problem with a foreigner constantly berating our government on a web site based in America, where Americans are the vast majority of posters, and the content is based on a sports team located in America. I have no problem with ciricism from voting, tax-paying Americans. IMO, it's not only our right, but our duty as well, to speak out when we feel that our government is wrong. While I typically listen to foreign criticism of American policy with patience and interest, I feel that never-ending anti-American posts from a foreigner on a site such as this are completely tactless.

 

If you think that makes me a jingoist, I'm sorry you feel that way. Fortunately for me, I don't give a flying f*** what some 20-year-old who is still living off of mommy and daddy and has no idea what the real world is like thinks.

 

Because god forbid we have any criticism of policy in this country.

 

IIRC, KWF is not located in our country. And if you think that there is a shortage of policy criticism in this country, you must be living under a rock.

 

Blindly follow government dictums because we know how well that's worked before and our government has never lied to us before

 

"Grrrrr... I'm an angry little college boy! Fight the power!"

 

Grow up. :rolly

Edited April 2, 2005 by TheBigHurt35

[YASNY]

Tactless. That is a PERFECT desription. Thank you, TheBigHurt35.

[1549]

I have a problem with a foreigner constantly berating our government on a web site based in America, where Americans are the vast majority of posters, and the content is based on a sports team located in America.  I have no problem with ciricism from voting, tax-paying Americans.  IMO, it's not only our right, but our duty as well, to speak out when we feel that our government is wrong.  While I typically listen to foreign criticism of American policy with patience and interest, I feel that never-ending anti-American posts from a foreigner on a site such as this are completely tactless.

 

If you think that makes me a jingoist, I'm sorry you feel that way.  Fortunately for me, I don't give a flying f*** what some 20-year-old who is still living off of mommy and daddy and has no idea what the real world is like thinks.

IIRC, KWF is not located in our country.  And if you think that there is a shortage of policy criticism in this country, you must be living under a rock.

"Grrrrr... I'm an angry little college boy!  Fight the power!"

 

Grow up.  :rolly

 

Are you f***ing kidding me...

 

That was the most absurd post I have ever read...pure f***ing ridiculous.

 

Outsiders can't criticize this country, only conservative, white, male, middle aged, white collar, upper tax bracket citizens can criticize my country!

 

People like you need to get over yourselves, and get over the USA.

 

Yes it is a great place, yes it is the best nation in the world.

 

But it does have some flaws...like everything in this world, it isn't perfect.

 

People will criticize our flaws, if your offended go burn a Canadian flag. Don't get on other people's asses because you are over sensitive and take criticism of American policy personal.

 

And you know what...the vietnam war was one of the biggest embarrassments in this country's history.

 

We make fun of French people, but s***, I hope they are laughing at us for getting routed in Vietnam 10 years after the same thing happened to them. Maybe we should have learned a little more about Vietnam from the French...

[TheBigHurt35]

People will criticize our flaws, if your offended go burn a Canadian flag. Don't get on other people's asses because you are over sensitive and take criticism of American policy personal.

 

So, instead of calling KWF's posts "tactless," I'm supposed to stoop down to his bomb-throwing level and burn a Candaian flag? Wow, what a great idea! People like you apparently don't understand that the First Ammendment wasn't created to excuse rude behavior.

 

Have you ever been to a foreign country? Do did you go out of the way to insult that nation's government while speaking to the citizens? I'll bet you don't, because you'd probably make a lot of enemies. The same logic applies here.

 

Note that my intent isn't to silence KWF. I'm simply exercising my right to free speech, just as he is.

 

Nice to see that I have a bit of support...

 

Tactless.  That is a PERFECT desription.   Thank you, TheBigHurt35. 

Edited April 2, 2005 by TheBigHurt35

[1549]

So, instead of calling KWF's posts "tactless," I'm supposed to stoop down to his bomb-throwing level and burn a Candaian flag?  Wow, what a great idea!  People like you apparently don't understand that the First Ammendment wasn't created to excuse rude behavior.

 

Have you ever been to a foreign country?  Do did you go out of the way to insult that nation's government while speaking to the citizens?  I'll bet you don't, because you'd probably make a lot of enemies.  The same logic applies here.

 

Note that my intent isn't to silence KWF.  I'm simply exercising my right to free speech, just as he is.

 

Nice to see that I have a bit of support...

 

And you were completely tactless in attacking KWF, and all other young people who criticize the government in any way shape or form.

 

Yes I have been to a foreign country. In fact there was a large protest against the war in Afghanistan while I was in London. And I did criticize the UK while I was there because in the war museum the star spangled banner plays in the Vietnam exhibit which consists of Pictures and movies of bombs over the jungle, U.S. soldiers running for their lives, Cambodians fleeing bombs, and other such images.

 

The way the tragedy of war was shown while the Star spangled banner was playing was very disrespectful to Americans. I mentioned to a British man in the exhibit with me that this is the equivelant to playing "God Save the Queen" in the Northern Ireland exhibit. He just sort of shrugged.

 

People will criticize BigHurt, and in the case of Vietnam...rightly so. KWF does not present his criticisms in a way that is disrespectful and mocking, so why should we be disrespectful to his criticisms?

[TheBigHurt35]

People will criticize BigHurt, and in the case of Vietnam...rightly so.  KWF does not present his criticisms in a way that is disrespectful and mocking, so why should we be disrespectful to his criticisms?

 

This isn't about KWF criticizing the Vietnam War. This is about him posting nothing but anti-American garbage. Do a search on his posts and you'll see what I mean. I can deal with non-Americans criticizing America. However, I have no respect for those who do it constantly and have an obvious anti-American agenda. If KWF wants to use his right to free speech to vehmently rip America to shreds every day, I'll exercise mine by calling him "tactless" and suggesting that he has an inferiority complex. Fair enough?

 

No, my behavior was not tactless. "Tactless" would be me criticizing the Candaian government, as you and KWF have suggested, as some sort of moronic, childish "retaliation" for his comments. I'm not going to insult the Canadian government and other Candadian citizens when he's the problem, not them.

 

Edited April 2, 2005 by TheBigHurt35

[1549]

Well, we're not going to see eye to eye on this one...so I'm going to call it quits.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I have a problem with a foreigner constantly berating our government on a web site based in America, where Americans are the vast majority of posters, and the content is based on a sports team located in America.  I have no problem with ciricism from voting, tax-paying Americans.  IMO, it's not only our right, but our duty as well, to speak out when we feel that our government is wrong.  While I typically listen to foreign criticism of American policy with patience and interest, I feel that never-ending anti-American posts from a foreigner on a site such as this are completely tactless.

 

If you think that makes me a jingoist, I'm sorry you feel that way.  Fortunately for me, I don't give a flying f*** what some 20-year-old who is still living off of mommy and daddy and has no idea what the real world is like thinks.

IIRC, KWF is not located in our country.  And if you think that there is a shortage of policy criticism in this country, you must be living under a rock.

"Grrrrr... I'm an angry little college boy!  Fight the power!"

 

Grow up.  :rolly

 

Any criticism (unless its of a Democrat) is seen as anti-American by you. That's political hackery. And a personal attack on me -- Wow, you're really proving your point there!

[TheBigHurt35]

Any criticism (unless its of a Democrat) is seen as anti-American by you.[/color]

 

Nice try to stereotype me, but you'd be wrong about that. I strongly support some Democrats, like Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh (even voted for the latter). And I've criticized Bush's handling of the Mexican border and his idiotic Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage here several times. But, hey, why let the truth get in the way?

 

And speaking of stereotypes, you fit the "young, angry college liberal" so well that it's frightening. Are you plotting a socialist overthrow of "the establishment" as well?

 

And a personal attack on me -- Wow, you're really proving your point there!

 

Perhaps your baiting had something to do with that...

 

Actually, if we take out all the useless, insulting bulls***, let's see what we have left of your post:

 

Perhaps one day when you're older, supporting yourself financially, married, and have children, you'll realize that our government (while far from perfect) does a hell of a lot of good in this world and that our country and values are worth defending.

Edited April 2, 2005 by TheBigHurt35

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Yes, I am very skeptical of government power so that means I want more in a socialist standpoint

 

If anything, I'm more left leaning libertarian (actually voted Lib in past election). And our country and values are worth protecting -- that's why don't like it when Bush and his cronies jack off all over the Bill of Rights with "Sure, the PATRIOT Act hasn't led to the conviction of major terrorist cells & has done pretty much jack s*** to prevent attacks...and we're leaving the borders wide open but you need to give up your rights!" Its not about "hating America" but rather expecting it, since it is such a great nation set on lofty ideals, to actually step up to the plate and stand by their ideals. In the words of HL Mencken: The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.

 

The Hunter Thompson statement following is my exact statement about the government: The president cannot be a Fool. Not at this moment in time--when the last living vestiges of the American Dream are on the line. This is not the time to have a bogus rich kid in charge of the White House. Which is, after all, our house. That is our headquarters - it is where the heart of America lives. So if the president lies and acts giddy about other people's lives--if he wantonly and stupidly endorses mass murder as a logical plan to make sure that we are still Number One--he is a Jackass by definition--a loud and meaningless animal with no functional intelligence and no balls.

 

This of course, applies to any government in power.

[TheBigHurt35]

Yes, I am very skeptical of government power so that means I want more in a socialist standpoint

 

You're beyond skeptical. You're downright cynical. There's a pretty significant difference.

 

The Hunter Thompson statement following is my exact statement about the government: The president cannot be a Fool. Not at this moment in time--when the last living vestiges of the American Dream are on the line. This is not the time to have a bogus rich kid in charge of the White House. Which is, after all, our house. That is our headquarters - it is where the heart of America lives.  So if the president lies and acts giddy about other people's lives--if he wantonly and stupidly endorses mass murder as a logical plan to make sure that we are still Number One--he is a Jackass by definition--a loud and meaningless animal with no functional intelligence and no balls.

 

So, Bush is a "mass murderer" because he militarily forced Saddam Hussein (a real mass murderer) out of power? Disagreeing with the Iraq War and being angry at the Bush administration for possibly lying about WMDs (which I'm more than willing to admit they may have... and am not happy about it) is fine. Hell, calling Bush a liar is fine. But saying that Bush endorses mass murderer is just plain stupid and irresponsible. Looks like decades of drug abuse had taken their toll on Mr. Thompson's mind long before his death.

 

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched.

 

I'd argue that someone like Ward Churchill, who definitely fits into the "radical" category, clearly hates America and capitalism in general. He may be an extreme example, but there are plenty of radical America-haters out there (not that you're one of them).

 

Your other points are well taken.