DBAHO Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Interesting read here from Joe Cowley and the Southtown; Damaso Marte said all the right things, simply describing it as an inside pitch that got away. But his White Sox teammates and the coaching staff knew it was so much more. When the left-handed reliever drilled former teammate Carlos Lee in a spring training meeting with Milwaukee on March 23, it was payback for two years worth of frustration. Lee was a bully to Marte. He often ridiculed Marte's poor upbringing in the Dominican Republic, would sneak up and slap Marte on the back of the neck and would make Marte the butt of his jokes. In other words, Lee was a participant in the kind of selfish behavior the Sox tried to distance themselves from during the past offseason. "We all knew it was coming," one Sox player said of the Cactus League incident, "and it will probably happen again." Rowand refuses to publicly criticize Lee's actions, but one Sox coach said Rowand grew frustrated with trying to tell Lee where he needed to play a hitter, only to have Lee wave him off or simply ignore him. On several occasions last year, Lee was burned because he didn't listen to Rowand or the coaching staff about defensive positioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 No surprise there. I said it when it happened, that you could tell from the reaction of Damaso that it was on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 The more stuff that comes out, the more I am glad that Carlos is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Oh well. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this. If Lee was a prick then I don't blame Marte for hitting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroHour Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 All of this is news to me. Im more glad he's gone now. I always liked Marte, but both him and Lee always struck me as quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 10:25 AM) Oh well. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this. If Lee was a prick then I don't blame Marte for hitting him. Jeckle, I encourage you to check out the announcement on the new sig guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Good for Marte...a little payback to his bully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro1983hat Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 I wonder if Lee, Valentin, and Ordonez were buddies in the clubhouse, isolating themselves from the rest of the team. There definitely is a different, and better, feeling around the team this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 (edited) I'm glad Joe Cowley reported this. He's usually on top of these stories. Following Lee's HBP I suspected, as did SS2k4 and several others, it was too coincidental to be "merely an inside pitch that slipped." Marte's immediate reaction did nothing to convince me otherwise. Edited April 6, 2005 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Too bad Marte didn't lift the ball a slight bit and put it in his ribs if its true.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 I consider myself corrected then, I thought it was just a pitch that got away. Although I dont know why Lee would make fun of Marte's upbringing in the DR, they have presidente, the best beer ever!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 08:26 AM) Jeckle, I encourage you to check out the announcement on the new sig guidelines. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No problem. I fixed it. Thanks for letting me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 10:34 AM) No problem. I fixed it. Thanks for letting me know. Thanks. Now if only everyone else responds in such a timely fashion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 6, 2005 Author Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) I'm glad Joe Cowley reported this. He's usually on top of these stories. Following Lee's HBP I suspected, as did SS2k4 and several others, it was too coincidental to be "merely an inside pitch that slipped." Marte's immediate reaction did nothing to convince me otherwise. He's certainly been on top of things Carlos Lee related this off-season that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 I consider myself corrected then, I thought it was just a pitch that got away. Although I dont know why Lee would make fun of Marte's upbringing in the DR, they have presidente, the best beer ever!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree on the Presidente beer, great stuff. This story is not far fetched at all IMO. Lee is an outgoing, gregarious guy who likes to joke and have fun or poke fun. Marte is very quiet. I can see where teasing from Lee becomes overbearing for a quiet guy like Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Carlos Carlos Carlos :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) Agree on the Presidente beer, great stuff. This story is not far fetched at all IMO. Lee is an outgoing, gregarious guy who likes to joke and have fun or poke fun. Marte is very quiet. I can see where teasing from Lee becomes overbearing for a quiet guy like Marte. that's actually the perect reasoning behind it. I don't think carlos was a bad guy, just some people don't mix well together. I still have all the respect in the world for carlos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 nice marte! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 I'm so tired of this crap. The Sox will blame last season on anything and everything except the fact that the pitching f'n sucked. Now apparently the Chicago White Sox are saying that Carlos Lee was a meanie. Do they need a goddam scout mother? Carlos has not been taking shots at the Sox, JUST SHUT UP AND PLAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 no? were not blaiming last years disapointment on lee or anyone other then pitching. Thats why we got pitchin this season and defense. Were saying Lee was a dick in the clubhouse and this is what he deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 This is all of a feather with these, 'no selfish players THIS year' and 'winning attitude THIS year' stories. All this ex-post rationalization. I'm just tired of reading about it. They lost not b/c of any clubhouse conflict, they lost because they couldn't get people out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) I'm so tired of this crap. The Sox will blame last season on anything and everything except the fact that the pitching f'n sucked. Now apparently the Chicago White Sox are saying that Carlos Lee was a meanie. Do they need a goddam scout mother? Carlos has not been taking shots at the Sox, JUST SHUT UP AND PLAY. This is just more of the same crap from the media. They have all of these unattributed quotes that they are passing off as inside information. None of the Sox are actually talking about this stuff, but the media is still trying to push and find people to talk about this, even though no one will anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 I don't give a f*** about last year anymore...we sucked, we didn't make the playoffs. I'm concerned with this year. If we actually have good chemistry, great. Lets f***ing win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Ah the smear campaigns continue. I realize htis is Cowley and not the Sox but will the Sox writers, organization and fans just get over it? What year is it? I thought it was 2005 but you wouldn't know it by what you read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 6, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) Ah the smear campaigns continue. I realize htis is Cowley and not the Sox but will the Sox writers, organization and fans just get over it? What year is it? I thought it was 2005 but you wouldn't know it by what you read. Just wait til Torii and the Twins come in. Marte will bean his ass too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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