KipWellsFan Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 http://www.reuters.ca/locales/c_newsArticl...storyID=8142485 'Breathtaking' Poll Sees Liberals Losing Power Mon April 11, 2005 8:33 AM GMT-04:00 By Randall Palmer OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's minority Liberal government is heading for defeat at the hands of the Conservatives after more than 11 years in power, according to a new poll released on Monday. The EKOS poll, taken after revelations last week of kickbacks to the Liberal Party, showed support for the Conservatives at 36.2 percent, compared with 25 percent for the Liberals -- their lowest showing since taking office in 1993. The Toronto Star, which commissioned the poll, said this suggested a late June election. The Liberals lost their majority in Parliament in the last election, in June 2004. The newspaper, which commissioned the survey, quoted EKOS pollster Frank Graves as describing "a breathtaking shift in what had been a stagnant and listless political landscape." In the most populous province of Ontario, the Conservatives appeared to have made a breakthrough, leading the Liberals by 40 percent to 33 percent, probably enough to take the majority of Ontario's 106 seats. If those polling numbers were translated into election votes, Conservative leader Stephen Harper would become prime minister, though Graves suspected it would be again in a minority government. EKOS polled 1,125 Canadians between Thursday and Saturday, and the poll is considered accurate to within 2.9 percentage points 19 times out of 20. It gave 20.5 percent voter support to the leftist New Democratic Party and 12.6 percent to the separatist Bloc Quebecois, which runs only in Quebec. The Liberals currently have 133 of the House of Commons' 308 seats; the Conservatives 99; the Bloc 54; the NDP 19. There are two independents and one vacancy. Canadian election campaigns must be at least 36 days long, leaving the possibility of a vote of no-confidence sometime in May and an election in mid- to late June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 This is a good thing if you don't want the rest of Canada to resemble Quebec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 11, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) This is a good thing if you don't want the rest of Canada to resemble Quebec. There's always been contempt from Quebecers to non-Quebecers and the other way around. Even many liberal Canadians really don't like Quebec so no this isn't stopping Canada from becoming like Quebec, if anything this will make Quebec more like Canada as the conservative parties have always shrugged off the importance of the French language and culture. As it is right now I'd say there is a very good chance Quebec will become it's very own country, but the results of this I can't really fathom. Not sure if you're joking or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Apr 11, 2005 -> 05:04 PM) There's always been contempt from Quebecers to non-Quebecers and the other way around. Even many liberal Canadians really don't like Quebec so no this isn't stopping Canada from becoming like Quebec, if anything this will make Quebec more like Canada as the conservative parties have always shrugged off the importance of the French language and culture. As it is right now I'd say there is a very good chance Quebec will become it's very own country, but the results of this I can't really fathom. Not sure if you're joking or not. I've been told that the western provinces tend to be a bit more conservative than the eastern ones, so that's where I'm getting that from. That and the fact that a province with such strong ties to French culture would be more likely to adopt France's liberal policies. But I could be wrong about that. I can't imagine what Quebec delcaring independence from Canada would be like. At the very least, it would reflect rather poorly on the Canadian government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 11, 2005 -> 11:30 PM) I've been told that the western provinces tend to be a bit more conservative than the eastern ones, so that's where I'm getting that from. That and the fact that a province with such strong ties to French culture would be more likely to adopt France's liberal policies. But I could be wrong about that. I can't imagine what Quebec delcaring independence from Canada would be like. At the very least, it would reflect rather poorly on the Canadian government. I would agree with all those points. The current scandal is making the Quebec situation much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 I can see it now ... Canadien Liberals blame FoxNews and Bill O'Reilly for defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Question, just because I have no idea. Would the rest of Canada LET Quebec declare independance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 08:42 AM) Question, just because I have no idea. Would the rest of Canada LET Quebec declare independance? Because they are most French Canadiens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 11, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) This is a good thing if you don't want the rest of Canada to resemble Quebec. lol so true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 02:16 AM) I can see it now ... Canadien Liberals blame FoxNews and Bill O'Reilly for defeat. lol me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 09:00 AM) Because they are most French Canadiens? Just in a general sense. The US didn't let the confederacy leave, would Canada let Que leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 09:10 AM) Just in a general sense. The US didn't let the confederacy leave, would Canada let Que leave? I don't have a clue, nor do I care. It would weaken their Olympic hockey team, so that could be a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 08:10 AM) Just in a general sense. The US didn't let the confederacy leave, would Canada let Que leave? Even today, states like California and Utah are completely different socially, politically, and religiously. Yet they can manage to coexist as part of the United States. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious here, but I don't see why this "let's just get along" mindset can't apply to Quebec and the rest of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 07:42 AM) Question, just because I have no idea. Would the rest of Canada LET Quebec declare independance? Good question. Last time Quebec voted on sovereignty and just loss it was rumoured that Canadian forces might move in and stop it. But I'm not sure. And no this has nothing to do with Fox News, this is their own fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 12:31 PM) Good question. Last time Quebec voted on sovereignty and just loss it was rumoured that Canadian forces might move in and stop it. But I'm not sure. And no this has nothing to do with Fox News, this is their own fault. Oh hell KWF, that was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) Oh hell KWF, that was a joke. Thought it might have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 11, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) This is a good thing if you don't want the rest of Canada to resemble Quebec. Montreal is one of my favorite cities.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 A civil war will not break out over Quebec. The fact is that most Quebecers don't really want independence. BQ is so popular mostly because of the ridings system and areas of quebec where 50 people live vote for the separatists and get seats in parliament. Or so I was told anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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