Ozzie Guillen and his tinkering

[DBAHO]

Attention all posters: If you want to get yourself hated and become one of the more annoying posters around, start a thread like this....

 

Oh I can find worse than this don't worry. And we're winning, so every1 be happy.

[Rowand44]

And we're winning, so every1 be happy.

Ha, I'm afraid to see what this place is going to look like when the sox have a two game losing streak. Could be pretty scary.

[DBAHO]

Ha, I'm afraid to see what this place is going to look like when the sox have a two game losing streak.  Could be pretty scary.

We're turning into a bunch of qwerty's (sorry couldn't resist).

[zygoat]

And I have not even started on the BP tinkering that was directly responsible for one loss

 

 

that home run also has to do wiht mark getting behind in the count, he did it all night, im not a pitching coach, but mark has to throw a strike either his first or second pitch or else torii or any other homo on the twins is going to park the ball every time

[witesoxfan]

We're turning into a bunch of qwerty's (sorry couldn't resist). 

 

haha

[qwerty]

We're turning into a bunch of qwerty's (sorry couldn't resist). 

 

I do not find that funny.

[CWSGuy406]

qwerty

 

Do you consider the Injuns as a threat to win the division? I do....especially with the pitching of Millwood as seen by all twice now

 

When Sabathia gets back, this division will be a 3 team race unless there are some major injuries. In fact I would not be shocked at all if it comes down to between us and the Indians with Twinkies out of it by all star game (given they have Morneau and Mauer batting in the 4th and 3rd spot respectively)

 

That's probably one of the dumbest things I've read around here in awhile. "The Twins won't compete because of Morneau and Mauer batting 4th and 3rd respectively".

 

I don't care how old they are, those two can f***in' rake. I'd take them on our team any day...

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

You don't rest a guy like Posednik when you're going for the sweep against a division rival. You just don't do it. You bring your A team with you and you go for the jugular. You want to get the rooks some playing time wait till you're facing off against a s***ty team like KC or something.

[Rowand44]

I do not find that funny.

Yes you do. Trust me on this one.

[YASNY]

It was his fault that he did not remove Shingo after the 2nd jack. But wait, he did not have anyone to go to in the pen. But wait, that was because he had 3 relievers go through one inning despite all 3 looking good.....ding ding ding....yes, that was Ozzie's fault. Yes Shingo blew it, but his manager did him no favors by having someone behind him in case he had an off day. That is what managers do....they manage for the worst case situation. Ozzie failed miserably at it.

 

No. What managers do, or what they should do, is manage with the long haul in mind. For example, he rested AJ today, which you seem to think was a mistake. It's EXACTLY what Ozzie should have done. Why is that? Because it was a day game, after a night game with travel thrown in between the two games. So not only would AJ have had to catch 18 innings within 20 or so hours, but also have to walk through two airports, check in to a hotel, etc. Now, AJ has two days off in a row and a chance to get well rested. Playing Timo, Harris, Ozuna, Widger is the only way to keep these guys sharp. You cannot sit them for two weeks and expect them to produce, regardless of what the schedule says. We have no problem with expressing your opinion on something that you percieve as a mistake. But when you post inane garbage, you will get called out on it around here. You did and you were.

[sox-r-us]

You don't rest a guy like Posednik when you're going for the sweep against a division rival.  You just don't do it.  You bring your A team with you and you go for the jugular.  You want to get the rooks some playing time wait till you're facing off against a s***ty team like KC or something.

 

100% agreed. Don't expect anyone to get that though

[Capn12]

OMG!! Starting players got a day off....stop the presses!

 

Listen, we played a day game, after travelling, AFTER a road game. Guess what, guys need days off, they aren't f***ing robots.

 

As for the Shingo loss...yes, Ozzie used the bullpen incorrectly. It happens, he still shouldnt have had to worry when he had his closer on teh mound, 2 outs, and a 2 run lead. You CAN'T question that, it was Shingos game to lose, unfortunately he chose to do just that.

 

 

And if I hear one more goddamn whine about "Crede shouldn't have tried to do his job and stop the ball!!" I'm gonna start spitting up blood. Hello, it is the 3rd basemans job to keep the ball in teh infield, period. He took a shot, he missed. He didn't groove the pitch to Hunter that I recall...

[beck72]

There's a flu bug going around the Sox as well. That also has to factor in who is physically ready to play or not.

 

Overall though, the bench has to get some playing time. Few regulars are going to play 162 games nor should they. I want the sox players as fresh as possible during Aug. and Sept. when most runs for the playoffs are made.

 

I can hear the argument, that 'in order to make the playoffs, the sox need to win before Aug and Sept.'. If the Sox were playing poorly, and losing, then the Sox regulars would see far more playing time, in order to break out of slumps, etc. Yet now's the time when the sox are playing well and winning games, to get the bench involved, and keep the regulars fresh.

[YASNY]

There's a flu bug going around the Sox as well. That also has to factor in who is physically ready to play or not.

 

Overall though, the bench has to get some playing time. Few regulars are going to play 162 games nor should they. I want the sox players as fresh as possible during Aug. and Sept. when most runs for the playoffs are made.

 

I can hear the argument, that 'in order to make the playoffs, the sox need to win before Aug and Sept.'. If the Sox were playing poorly, and losing, then the Sox regulars would see far more playing time, in order to break out of slumps, etc. Yet now's the time when the sox are playing well and winning games, to get the bench involved, and keep the regulars fresh.

 

Too many people are worried about "today's game" and that one only. Ozzie does not have that luxury. He has to "tinker" enough to keep his bench players sharp and his regulars fresh. To complain that Timo is playing in this game, and Ozuna in this and Widger in another is ludicrous. In fact, the moves that Ozzie made were well thought out, as Timo has had success against the pitcher in his game. Podsednik was rested against a tough lefty and AJ was rested on a day game after a night game.

[DBAHO]

Esteemed blogger and rotoworld geek Aaron Gleeman summed it up pretty well for me, at least on the Timo thing;

 

I would say something sarcastic about Timo Perez batting fifth Saturday night, while Aaron Rowand, A.J. Pierzynski, Joe Crede, and Juan Uribe hit behind him, but he homered off Brad Radke in the seventh inning. So instead I'll just shut up.

[beck72]

Too many people are worried about "today's game" and that one only.  Ozzie does not have that luxury.  He has to "tinker" enough to keep his bench players sharp and his regulars fresh.  To complain that Timo is playing in this game, and Ozuna in this and Widger in another is ludicrous.  In fact, the moves that Ozzie made were well thought out, as Timo has had success against the pitcher in  his game.  Podsednik was rested against a tough lefty and AJ was rested on a day game after a night game.

 

I agree. Guys on the bench must get some playing time to help the regulars out. About the only argument people can have about Ozzie's "tinkering" would be if a bench guy helped the sox lose a game---I can't wait to see the "Hang Ozzie" contingent spout off then Seeing how the sox two losses had nothing to do with the bench guys, these complaints are silly.

[YASNY]

I agree. Guys on the bench must get some playing time to help the regulars out. About the only argument people can have about Ozzie's "tinkering" would be if a bench guy helped the sox lose a game---I can't wait to see the "Hang Ozzie" contingent spout off then   Seeing how the sox two losses had nothing to do with the bench guys, these complaints are silly.

 

That will happen sooner or later. Yet Timo helped win that game and Widger certainly contributed yesterday, as his CERA is currently kick-ass!

[sox-r-us]

ANyone want to go back on some of the Ozzie defending in this thread after Timo just focked up again in the outfield?

 

Timo and Everett in the outfield together, WIllie playing ahead of Iguchi and thi sis coming off a bad loss yesterday where Burhle was allowed to hit ahead of Frank T and Everett

 

ANd this is all in a NL park where we are one less hitter anyways and with Minny only 4.5 games back now, soon to be 3.5

 

:fyou Ozzie

[qwerty]

Timo singled wo0t. That made up for it in the sox mind... especially considering that run didn't score on his error.

[sox-r-us]

You know what, Ozzie's the manager and he played many years in the bigs, I think he knows a little more then you about baseball.  We all disagree with him at times and all want to play manager at times, hell I disagreed with putting Damaso in to start the 9th, I wanted shingo in there but it worked.  The sox are 5 and 2 right now, so he's obviously doing something right, managers are going to make mistakes and ozzie's no different but not everything he does has to be critiqued.

 

Wanna still say the same? :rolly

[Rowand44]

Wanna still say the same?  :rolly 

Sure, everything I said still remains. At times he pisses me off there is no doubt but if he's not our manager we have a worse record right now, so I'll take the bad managerial decision at times.

[Guest JimH]

ANyone want to go back on some of the Ozzie defending in this thread after Timo just focked up again in the outfield?

 

Timo and Everett in the outfield together, WIllie playing ahead of Iguchi and thi sis coming off a bad loss yesterday where Burhle was allowed to hit ahead of Frank T and Everett

 

ANd this is all in a NL park where we are one less hitter anyways and with Minny only 4.5 games back now, soon to be 3.5

 

:fyou Ozzie

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I guess a fair question is, do you still want to say the same?

[nvxplorer]

ANd this is all in a NL park where we are one less hitter anyways and with Minny only 4.5 games back now, soon to be 3.5

Tarot cards not doing well for you today?

 

I will never understand why people attempt to predict close games before they're over. Hell, some guys throw in the towel when the Sox are behind by one in the second inning.

[southsider2k5]

ANyone want to go back on some of the Ozzie defending in this thread after Timo just focked up again in the outfield?

 

Timo and Everett in the outfield together, WIllie playing ahead of Iguchi and thi sis coming off a bad loss yesterday where Burhle was allowed to hit ahead of Frank T and Everett

 

ANd this is all in a NL park where we are one less hitter anyways and with Minny only 4.5 games back now, soon to be 3.5

 

:fyou Ozzie

 

[CSF]

Is it possible to be PWNED twice in a single thread?

Edited June 13, 2005 by ChiSoxFan