Butter Parque Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 What is wrong with Marte, specifically against lefties. It seems whenever he faces a lefty, he falls way behind in the counts, and either walks him or gives up a hit. He seems like a totally different pitcher from 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Patience Grasshopper....Marte will be fine. If theres a reliever out there that you want to worry about, make it Politte....until I see him have 3-4 solid appearances, I'm worried. Otherwise, I like our pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Marte against lefties last season in a "down" year for him. .143 AVG, .214 SLG, .256 OBP, 2 HR's in 98 AB's. It's been 1 week (god I've said that a lot today), he'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 The thing that worries me about Marte is that he's not following through on all his pitches. It just seems to me that he releases them too early or doesn't try to throw harder when he definately can so he doesn't get the pitch exactly where he wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 He is getting the job done right now with bad command. When he gets his command back in order, he'll be flat out nasty. No worries for me about Damaso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 I was seeing cracks in Damaso's armor last year, and knowing how relievers seem to come and go, I was an advocate for considering including Marte in the right trade. Of course, I was totally shot down here, but that's ok. That's what makes this board special. I hope he can turn things around to where he was two years ago, but I have a gut feeling he's on a gradual slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroHour Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 (edited) His main flaw yesterday was he wasnt fooling anyone away, nobody chased his stuff, AND he was missing the outside corner. A little more aggression would probably shore up his appearances nicely. He wouldnt be getting behind as often and would keep guys on their heels. Edited April 12, 2005 by ZeroHour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 They talked during the spring about wanting to get Damaso to bust the lefties in on the hands a little more. Also you could tell either his release point was bad, or he wasn't following through properly as he was leaving a lot of pitches up. It didn't sound like that yesterday, but I only listened on the radio too FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 07:36 AM) They talked during the spring about wanting to get Damaso to bust the lefties in on the hands a little more. Also you could tell either his release point was bad, or he wasn't following through properly as he was leaving a lot of pitches up. It didn't sound like that yesterday, but I only listened on the radio too FWIW. Yeah, that's been his problem. Releasing too early and no follow throughs. Hopefully he could get it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 He can't seem to get his breaking ball over nearly as often as he did two years ago. That big swooper he throws often ends up in the dirt now. As much as Manuel used him, it's no surprise people are having better ABs against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroHour Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 like Manuel had a choice... Hmm....Marte, Cliff or Mike Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(ZeroHour @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) like Manuel had a choice... Hmm....Marte, Cliff or Mike Jackson? Cliff or Jackson weren't here when Manuel was here. They both came last year and Manuel's last year was 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroHour Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 07:17 PM) Cliff or Jackson weren't here when Manuel was here. They both came last year and Manuel's last year was 2003. rats, i could have sworn mike jackson was here for 2 years. oh well ..... Marte or....? Tim Fortugno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(ZeroHour @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) rats, i could have sworn mike jackson was here for 2 years. oh well ..... Marte or....? Tim Fortugno? Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 02:34 PM) Gordon. rick white Edited April 12, 2005 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) rick white Biggest piece of garbage ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 damn i wish we coulda kept Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 damn i wish we coulda kept Gordon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed. We were stupid not to dish out the cash for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) Agreed. We were stupid not to dish out the cash for him. he was money in that set-up/closer role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 12, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) Agreed. We were stupid not to dish out the cash for him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We received two draft picks for the yankees giving him $7 million. I loved Gordon, but we really shouldn't try to fight the Yanks. Edited April 13, 2005 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 02:02 AM) We received two draft picks for the yankees giving him $7 million. I loved Gordon, but we really shouldn't try to fight the Yanks. One, of which, we used to grab Gio Gonzalez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 He wanted to be a yankee anyways... so even if we matched it he would of gone.... But yeah i wish he was back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 (edited) First post on the site. His control isnt the only thing that bothers me. He has no life on that breaking ball. It used to a nasty sweeper. I thought it was one of the best breaking balls in the AL. Now, it's not doing anything. He's a one pitch pitcher at this point and his fastball is very hittable when hitters can lay off the slurve. Edited April 13, 2005 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 01:09 AM) First post on the site. His control isnt the only thing that bothers me. He has no life on that breaking ball. It used to a nasty sweeper. I thought it was one of the best breaking balls in the AL. Now, it's not doing anything. He's a one pitch pitcher at this point and his fastball is very hittable when hitters can lay off the slurve. Welcome to soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Gordon at $7 mill and bidding against the Spankmees = no thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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