Soxy Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) Sorry I didn't read anything she did. I honestly never even heard of her until recently. So I'm a little clueless about her female superiority stuff. Just for the record, not a flame, but I bash mariatti because I read his stuff and know he sucks, I bash Hemingway because I've read several of his novels, I don't like Coldplay--but I've heard all their albums. The best way to state a view that will be accepted is to make it an informed one.... Edited April 13, 2005 by ChiSoxyGirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 12:47 PM) Just for the record, not a flame, but I bash mariatti because I read his stuff and know he sucks, I bash Hemingway because I've read several of his novels, I don't like Coldplay--but I've heard all their albums. The best way to state a view that will be accepted is to make it an informed one.... I've read articles like the one here, I've never read her books though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I have never even heard of her but it seems she has some really extreme beliefs and ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted April 13, 2005 Author Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:32 AM) Just to clarify--there is such a crime as marital rape. Not necessarily in the sense that Dworkin means, though. Also, I would say that Dworkin is a main reason that feminism today has a bad rap. She was an interesting thinker, but not my cup o' tea.... Oh, and Dworkin was married, iirc.... I know there is marital rape -- however, I severely doubt this is what Dworkin was discussing. As a guy, I have a difficult time with her making blanket statements about all men. If they were meant in a joking manner (i.e. Kinison, Hicks, etc.) then its different. However, I think what she was doing was engaging in hackery of a great degree. The research regarding pornography does not even support her claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) lol I'll agree too, I wouldn't have a sig if it wasn't for women. What are you getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) I know there is marital rape -- however, I severely doubt this is what Dworkin was discussing. As a guy, I have a difficult time with her making blanket statements about all men. If they were meant in a joking manner (i.e. Kinison, Hicks, etc.) then its different. However, I think what she was doing was engaging in hackery of a great degree. The research regarding pornography does not even support her claims. Oh, believe me, I know. I think that Dworkin is, was, and should be and affront to feminism. Really, her theories were rantings about the evils of men under the guise of feminism. She certainly, in my opinion, will not be missed from the ranks of feminist theorists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) What are you getting at? I know you made it, but if there were no women, you couldn't have made it. That's what I'm getting at. OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 12:38 PM) No, it doesn't. If anything, the reaction from the men in this thread clearly show that she's the aggressor. And factual based on some of your reactions. Men do rape women... yet I don't call all of them rapists and say "ef you" when they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 02:20 PM) I know you made it, but if there were no women, you couldn't have made it. That's what I'm getting at. OK? Ohh my bad, I forgot the after my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) Ohh my bad, I forgot the after my post. haha it's all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 12:30 PM) And factual based on some of your reactions. Men do rape women... yet I don't call all of them rapists and say "ef you" when they die. Well, then I guess you're just a better human being than us. Give yourself a big pat on the back. :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 03:26 PM) Well, then I guess you're just a better human being than us. Give yourself a big pat on the back. :rolly That's the second time today you've given your own meaning to someone's words and made some stupid ass assumption. If you don't understand what someone means, ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) That's the second time today you've given your own meaning to someone's words and made some stupid ass assumption. If you don't understand what someone means, ask. No, it's the second time today that I've dealt with an unsolicited, condescending remark about something that I said. yet I don't call all of them rapists and say "ef you" when they die. Care to explain that comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) No, it's the second time today that I've dealt with an unsolicited, condescending remark about something that I said. Care to explain that comment? Pretty self explinatory.. but sure... Men rape women but I don't call them all rapists and say "eff you" when they die. Pretty straight forward description of my reaction when a man who is not a rapist dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Men rape women but I don't call them all rapists and say "eff you" when they die. And the obvious implication is that your choice to not throw the f-bomb at a poor excuse for a human being is somehow "better" than the response that some of us have made to the news of Ms. Dworkin's death. I could be wrong, but I don't see any other reason for the latter half of your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 03:43 PM) And the obvious implication is that your choice to not throw the f-bomb at a poor excuse for a human being is somehow "better" than the response that some of us have made to the news of Ms. Dworkin's death. I could be wrong, but I don't see any other reason for the latter half of your comment. No.. I don't think anyone's usage of the word indicates they are any better or worse than anyone else. If language usage was an indication of intelligence around here.. I imagine those with stock in Pampers would be much richer than they already are. Quite frankly.. I don't care what anyone else does. It's something I would not do. Which is why I said... "Men rape women but I don't call them all rapists and say "eff you" when they die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) No.. I don't think anyone's usage of the word indicates they are any better or worse than anyone else. If language usage was an indication of intelligence around here.. I imagine those with stock in Pampers would be much richer than they already are. Quite frankly.. I don't care what anyone else does. It's something I would not do. Which is why I said... "Men rape women but I don't call them all rapists and say "eff you" when they die." OK, fair enough. That doesn't explain why you made that comment in direct response to one of my posts, but whatever. Regarding the use of language and IQ, I once took a religion class taught by a rabbi who would often refer to the leader of Nazi Germany as "that f***ing asshole Hitler." I'll go out on a limb and say that a Distinguished Professor and Department Head at a Big 10 University is probably more intelligent than either of us. Edited April 13, 2005 by TheBigHurt35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) OK, fair enough. That doesn't explain why you made that comment in direct response to one of my posts, but whatever. I made the same comment in response to QP's comment.. it was a general comment and an opinion. It's not always about you BH... sometime people just hit reply and post an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 03:13 PM) I made the same comment in response to QP's comment.. it was a general comment and an opinion. It's not always about you BH... sometime people just hit reply and post an opinion. But you made a conscious decision to reply to MY post, not to "just hit reply and post an opinion." That's why the assumptions were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) But you made a conscious decision to reply to MY post, not to "just hit reply and post an opinion." That's why the assumptions were made. Ahh.. so you know what was going on in my brain.. cool. Nevertheless.. you've been corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) Ahh.. so you know what was going on in my brain.. cool. Nevertheless.. you've been corrected. Gee, thanks for "correcting" me, Queen Steff. You're such a swell gal. :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) Gee, thanks for "correcting" me, Queen Steff. You're such a swell gal. :rolly Hey, damn it, I am Queen! I don't want anyone usurping my name! heehee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) Gee, thanks for "correcting" me, Queen Steff. You're such a swell gal. :rolly To correct you, again... I'm not the Queen around here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) Hey, damn it, I am Queen! I don't want anyone usurping my name! heehee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 03:34 PM) To correct you, again... I'm not the Queen around here.. So, the crown in your avatar is from Burger King? Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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