Neal Focking Cotts

[Guest JimH]

I also think they'll work something out with Frank Thomas.

[quickman]

I also think they'll work something out with Frank Thomas.

 

 

agreed Thomas will remain with the team.

[CWSGuy406]

I think all the teams with one phone call could have had gload. I do not think Kenny heard from anyone on Ross Gload.  Nor will he.

 

Yeah, well, I don't necessarily think many GM's have looked at him, which is a mistake... Which will probably be turned into, "If many GM's haven't looked at him, why do you think he's so good?".

 

I don't know why GM's haven't looked at him. He's hit everywhere he's been at, and plays above average defense.

 

If he hits .240 this year, fine, he's a backup. But I don't see that happening, considering the lowest he's ever hit was .261 (he hit .258 and .194 in short stints, but that was less than 30 AB's).

[quickman]

Yeah, well, I don't necessarily think many GM's have looked at him, which is a mistake...  Which will probably be turned into, "If many GM's haven't looked at him, why do you think he's so good?".

 

I don't know why GM's haven't looked at him.  He's hit everywhere he's been at, and plays above average defense.

 

If he hits .240 this year, fine, he's a backup.  But I don't see that happening, considering the lowest he's ever hit was .261 (he hit .258 and .194 in short stints, but that was less than 30 AB's).

 

 

GMS's and scouts know about all the ball players. Dusty baker is the only guy that doesn't know ballplayers! really though everyone in baseball probably understands his ceiling and what he can do. He was a prospect for the Cubs and supposedly a good one. He fell off the map. now he is just a backup. thats all.

[Guest JimH]

Yeah, well, I don't necessarily think many GM's have looked at him, which is a mistake...  Which will probably be turned into, "If many GM's haven't looked at him, why do you think he's so good?".

 

I don't know why GM's haven't looked at him.  He's hit everywhere he's been at, and plays above average defense.

 

If he hits .240 this year, fine, he's a backup.  But I don't see that happening, considering the lowest he's ever hit was .261 (he hit .258 and .194 in short stints, but that was less than 30 AB's).

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I hope he hits .321 again and we have an embarassment of riches.

 

He might DH tonite with Everett hurting.

[quickman]

I hope he hits .321 again and we have an embarassment of riches.

 

He might DH tonite with Everett hurting.

 

 

agreed I even want willie harris to play well when he is not getting picked off. Thats the type of guy I am. Hah

[jackie hayes]

Which would be a terribly gross overpayment -- IMHO.

From what you said before, I thought you believed he was worth around $8 mil. So does $2 mil make it "terribly gross overpayment"? (If so, I'd love to hear how colorful your take on Milton's deal would be. )

 

I don't know, Konerko seems pretty valuable to me. Power isn't just hr, but if the Cell continues to eat doubles, then we can't replace the hr. I wouldn't be opposed to letting him walk if we can bring in someone with 25-35 hr potential (and otherwise good stats -- no Burnitzing) and a good price, but if the fa cupboard is as bare as qwerty says, I'm a little leery of seeing him go. (And I do like Gload.)

 

In any case, this is awfully premature.

[3E8]

I think no one will allow a player to be better than their scouted "potential". If Crede hit .321 for the second half of this season, half this board would be ready to sign him to a multi-year deal.

[CWSGuy406]

I hope he hits .321 again and we have an embarassment of riches.

 

He might DH tonite with Everett hurting.

 

Speaking of which, wouldn't it be better to put your better defensive player at 1B, in Gload? If he, in fact, does go with that lineup? I know they don't want Konerko to lose his touch, but, you have a (supposed) ground-ball pitcher in Garland going tonight, don't you want to give Jon the best chance to succeed?

 

It may be null, anyways. I have a feeling Harris might be in CF tonight with Rowand in LF, he (Harris) has looked good at the plate in his limited action.

[quickman]

I think no one will allow a player to be better than their scouted "potential".  If Crede hit .321 for the second half of this season, half this board would be ready to sign him to a multi-year deal.

 

 

and the other half wouldn't. i would be in the other half. i want that lazy aloof piece of crap off my team.

[Guest JimH]

Cubs had another prospect who was/is supposedly great with the stick, David Kelton. They were worried about getting him through waivers a few weeks ago, he sailed right through.

 

Goes to show that sometimes we overrate our fringe guys. They are good for what they are and what they can do, but this team is not in a situation where a Ross Gload gets to play every day. Or a Jamie Burke or a Ben Davis or a Timo.

If they are playing every day ... we have a problem and that problem is called 2nd place or worse.

 

Not saying they are bad guys or bad players but it is what it is.

[Guest JimH]

lazy aloof piece of crap

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Some of your better work lately!

 

Is it Happy Hour yet?

[quickman]

Speaking of which, wouldn't it be better to put your better defensive player at 1B, in Gload?  If he, in fact, does go with that lineup?  I know they don't want Konerko to lose his touch, but, you have a (supposed) ground-ball pitcher in Garland going tonight, don't you want to give Jon the best chance to succeed?

 

It may be null, anyways.  I have a feeling Harris might be in CF tonight with Rowand in LF, he (Harris) has looked good at the plate in his limited action.

 

 

You ahve a point, but is konerko a bad first baseman? I think he is average to above average. makes all the plays. Everyone has gload being a gold glove guy. Does he have a gold glove? Is he that much of a difference?

[3E8]

BTW, I don't think Gload can just be inserted into this team for success. I would only do it if we spend saved money on the pitching staff.

[CWSGuy406]

From what you said before, I thought you believed he was worth around $8 mil.  So does $2 mil make it "terribly gross overpayment"?  (If so, I'd love to hear how colorful your take on Milton's deal would be.    )

 

I don't know, Konerko seems pretty valuable to me.  Power isn't just hr, but if the Cell continues to eat doubles, then we can't replace the hr.  I wouldn't be opposed to letting him walk if we can bring in someone with 25-35 hr potential (and otherwise good stats -- no Burnitzing) and a good price, but if the fa cupboard is as bare as qwerty says, I'm a little leery of seeing him go.  (And I do like Gload.)

 

In any case, this is awfully premature.

 

Yeah, I'm talking about the offseason f***ing nine games into the season, and during the offseason, I say how much I miss the regular season. :banghead

 

I dunno, I think I'm being generous at saying $8 million. It all depends. If Kenny feels he can make significant improvements by having that extra $7-10 million to work with, than I say you let him walk. If he feels the FA market is bare, then maybe it's best to give Konerko his eight million.

 

I just don't think he justifies getting such a big contract. He's 29 (IIRC) right now, and if you lock him up for three-four years at eight million per, I think that might really come back to bite ya in the third year. I just don't think he's worth that much. Then again, I've never been a huge fan of Konerko -- I like the guy, but he's never been one of my favorite players.

[CWSGuy406]

You ahve a point, but is konerko a bad first baseman? I think he is average to above average. makes all the plays. Everyone has gload being a gold glove guy. Does he have a gold glove? Is he that much of a difference?

 

I don't think the difference is great, but I don't necessarily think PK is great at going to his right (or, to dumb it down for myself, going towards the secondbase-firstbase hole). But yeah, I don't think he's 'bad' by any sense.

 

EDIT: f***, and while I'm typing this, I see that the Brewers locked up Sheets. f***.

Edited April 15, 2005 by CWSGuy406

[quickman]

Yeah, I'm talking about the offseason f***ing nine games into the season, and during the offseason, I say how much I miss the regular season.   :banghead

 

I dunno, I think I'm being generous at saying $8 million.  It all depends.  If Kenny feels he can make significant improvements by having that extra $7-10 million to work with, than I say you let him walk.  If he feels the FA market is bare, then maybe it's best to give Konerko his eight million.

 

I just don't think he justifies getting such a big contract.  He's 29 (IIRC) right now, and if you lock him up for three-four years at eight million per, I think that might really come back to bite ya in the third year.  I just don't think he's worth that much.  Then again, I've never been a huge fan of Konerko -- I like the guy, but he's never been one of my favorite players.

 

 

Mine neither, he took the 2003 season from me. But we will keep him especially if he has a big year. 40 HR's is good, just plain good.

[3E8]

You ahve a point, but is konerko a bad first baseman? I think he is average to above average. makes all the plays. Everyone has gload being a gold glove guy. Does he have a gold glove? Is he that much of a difference?

Doesn't really have a better glove, but could get to more balls I think.

[Steff]

I don't know why some of you discuss with quick... he's worse than a woman with his opinions..

 

 

 

 

[Gene Honda Civic]

BTW, I think Gload can just be inserted into the pitching staff.

Yes .... Getting back to the point of this thread.... Ozzie should have used Gload vs. Hafner in the 6th last night.

 

[Steff]

Doesn't really have a better glove, but could get to more balls I think.

 

 

 

That just sounds nasty..

[quickman]

That just sounds nasty.. 

 

 

slurp

[Steff]

slurp

 

 

 

I had my suspicions about you...

 

:puke

[quickman]

I don't know why some of you discuss with quick... he's worse than a woman with his opinions.. 

 

 

What do you mean? I can't believe you said that, all you do is watch baseball, i want a divorce and half your money.

[jackie hayes]

I just don't think he justifies getting such a big contract.  He's 29 (IIRC) right now, and if you lock him up for three-four years at eight million per, I think that might really come back to bite ya in the third year.  I just don't think he's worth that much.  Then again, I've never been a huge fan of Konerko -- I like the guy, but he's never been one of my favorite players.

I agree with much of this -- the length of the contract worries me more than the amount. Although 3 years at $8 mil would be signed in an instant by the Sox (and should be). PK is making $9 mil this year, after all. If he comes close to replicating last year, bargaining will start at $10 mil or more. If the Sox could sign him at that rate now, for a three-year extension, it could end up being a bargain.