SoxFan1 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 I say he should stay. I really have nothing against him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 the endless debate will never be settled but I see no reason to change mnagers now and doing so would be an ultimate disruption to this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Yes, because if you take out the 2000 season, he has underachieved with good talent for the most part. IMO, we need someone with more passion for the game. Manuel has been given a fair shot and besides 2000, has really achieved nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 17, 2003 Author Share Posted April 17, 2003 Its not the managers fault. The players are playing! The players have underachieved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 He has been a chronic underachiever who has failed in motivating key players constantly. To me is seems obvious that his style has lulled the team into a sense of complacency. You rarely see any sense of urgency or desperation with this team. Everything seems WAY to relaxed to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Its not the managers fault. The players are playing! The players have underachieved! You raise an interesting point, however, there is one thing wrong with the point you make. For instance, take the LA Lakers. Before they got Phil at the helm, Kobe and Shaq didn't win a damn thing. You could argue that they underachieved greatly, but it took great leadership to get them to the next level. Although the Sox will probably never reach that level of success, it is a valid argument that a good manager is needed to be successful. If you want to blame only the players, then why do we even have a manager? It's not all Manuel's fault, but since we can't fire Carlos Lee, someone has to take the fall. Unfortunately for JM, it could mean his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 17, 2003 Author Share Posted April 17, 2003 Yes, but its not all Lee's fault either. Everyone makes mistakes that cost us games or runs or leads or whatever but you cannot put all the blame on the manger. Like I said, the players are taking care of business, but when they dont, the manager gets the flaque and that is not fair. When we win the players are the hero's. But, when we lose, Manuel gets beheaded with "You cant manage" or "You put White in instead of Wunsch" or "Its all your fault" and that is not right. The players play and the mangers manage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Its not the managers fault. The players are playing! The players have underachieved! You raise an interesting point, however, there is one thing wrong with the point you make. For instance, take the LA Lakers. Before they got Phil at the helm, Kobe and Shaq didn't win a damn thing. You could argue that they underachieved greatly, but it took great leadership to get them to the next level. Although the Sox will probably never reach that level of success, it is a valid argument that a good manager is needed to be successful. If you want to blame only the players, then why do we even have a manager? It's not all Manuel's fault, but since we can't fire Carlos Lee, someone has to take the fall. Unfortunately for JM, it could mean his job. Well, I think the NBA (and NFL for that matter) are a bit difficult to compare to MLB, but I agree with your main point. Both the Los Angeles Lakers ( KG) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers underwent coaching changes in recent history -- the Lakers, as you mentioned, were taken over by Phil Jackson, and the Buccaneers were taken over by Jon Gruden. Phil took over for Del Harris, and Jon Gruden took over for Tony Dungy. Both new coaches are fiery and energetic (Phil in his own unique way) and both old coaches were calm and quiet (much like Jerry Manuel). As soon as both were discarded, the winning came. The difference is that both Phil and Jon brought a completely different game plan to the table. With baseball, I suppose you could say there is a game plan (such as "NL style" vs. "AL style"). So I suppose the question is -- do the Sox need a style change? I say no -- they just need to start doing what they're capable of doing, and everyone will get off Jerry's ass. Winning heals all wounds. CARLOS LEE HITS THAT ONE DEEP, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BACK.......(SOME SCRUB) LOOKS UP........YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDD, YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 you cant fire him while we are winning...but if we get to july and kenny is dealing players away for next year..manuel has to go..he has to win this year to keep his job..if he wins it all this year he gets a long term contract...this is the make or break year for jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES And for the hispanics on our team like Miguel, Carlos, and Maggs..... SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI Seriously though..... JM mishandles and abuses the BP all the time, constant f***ing tinkering, no fire or passion, and has only managed the Sox through one spectacular half of baseball (2000 pre-AllStar break). :fyou Jerry Manuel..... FIRE HIS ASS NOW!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Read the sig... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Not 14 games in, that's stupid. This team is very good and if they don't win enough games over the course of this season I guess it's time. How many losing seasons has JM had guys, a tad early to can him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Not 14 games in, that's stupid. Not as stupid as you think. If this team is below .500 on April 30th, FIRE HIS ASS while something can still be salvaged. Wait until June or July and it will be too late to salvage jack s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Because of my signature Well he sucks, no fire, don't like his tinkering, and he can't handle a bullpen, what more is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 I like Jerry Manuel and his patience and management theories, but... It seems we come out of spring training every year and struggle to establish as a consistent winner. It gets a bit tiring listening to players take the blame for a bad outing that loses a game, then getting a win, but coming back with another bad outing days later for another loss. We need consistency and the final days of spring training should have everyone in a winning mindset. Why can't we do it? Do they fool around too much in the spring games and concentrate on seeing all the youngsters and not enough time zeroing in on getting that winning mentality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Who hired Nardi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Who hired Nardi? Not sure who hired him..... but I think JM brought him into the Organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 It all depends on who would replace JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 if you fire jm then kw has to go first......hes the one calling the shots......making jm play who kw wants played at the time.. you cant put all this on jm.. he did just fine till kw came on the scene...............its been all down hill since then..........kw goes first...........ill guarentee ya see improvements on the field as well as in jm................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 Every night I thank God that Terry Bevington is not our manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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