South Side Fireworks Man Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws But once he was asked about visiting with Guillen, the fireworks began. "No. I don't want to see him," said the soft-spoken Ordonez of his manager last season. That reference to Guillen only tipped off the brief, but pointed, commentary from Ordonez. Surprisingly, Ordonez expressed no problems with general manager Ken Williams, who seemed to be the center of the offseason firestorm when Ordonez switched representation to Scott Boras. "We never clicked, even when we played together," Ordonez continued on his relationship with Guillen. "I don't consider him my friend. I have nothing to say. I don't want to see him. I don't want to talk to him. He's my enemy. Even if he talks to me and tries to apologize, I won't accept it." The problem Ordonez has with Guillen, on the surface, appears to stem from the perception that Guillen stuck his nose into the on-going contractual negotiations with the White Sox in 2004. Ordonez said Thursday that those sort of situations are between the general manager, the owner and his agent, and that the manager simply should worry about his team. But Guillen has a different recollection of that particular issue. He remembers being approached by Tom Reich, Ordonez's agent at the time, in terms of doing what he could to help bring home a multi-year deal for his client. Ordonez and Guillen also talked about the situation at a bar in Baltimore in early May, according to Guillen, before Ordonez injured his left knee during a collision with Willie Harris in Cleveland late in the game on May 19. Guillen said that he had a similar talk with Freddy Garcia, and the big right-hander signed a three-year deal shortly thereafter last season. At the point of the injury, Guillen advised Ordonez to think about the offer on the table from the White Sox. That deal was worth $60 million over five years, with more money deferred. Ordonez eventually signed a five-year, $75 million deal with Detroit. Focusing on Guillen's involvement in the contractual issue was the manager's mellowest state during his 10-minute talk Thursday. When he was told that Ordonez considered him an enemy and wouldn't accept his apology, Guillen fired back in a manner primarily not suitable for a family audience. "Apologize to who? I don't have to apologize to anybody," Guillen said. "He's the first one to name me. He said I was pushing him to play, and I was responsible. Don't make me feel like I was the bad guy in this. "He's playing with fire. I'm not afraid of him. I have nothing to do with Magglio wearing the Detroit Tigers uniform. "Every time he played for me, he played good," Guillen added. "But if he thinks I'm his enemy or I have something against him, that's up to him." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesox029 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Anyone still upset that we didn't re-sign him? No? Didn't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Will he ever shut up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 This tool is still crying about his contract situation even though he is currently ripping off millions of dollars from the Tigers? What a moron. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 This is never going to end. ever. at least as long as mags still blows and his career continues to be in the tank. So yeah, this is never going to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Well part of it is the media's insistence on asking him about his Chicago-based past, but Maggs doesn't hesitate to give them fodder. Everyone is sick of it by now. But if he considers the Sox enemies, that's logical enough considering they're in the same division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Just wait until you hear what Frank Thomas really things about Ozzie when he's playing on another team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) Just wait until you hear what Frank Thomas really things about Ozzie when he's playing on another team next year. look at my avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) look at my avatar That's why I said what he really thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Maggs is an ass anymore he was MR Cardboard when he played here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Ordonez said Thursday that those sort of situations are between the general manager, the owner and his agent, and that the manager simply should worry about his team. If I'm not mistaken, Ordonez WAS part of the team last season, therefore, signing one of your key players, would be something the manager should worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) That's why I said what he really thinks. I have no doubt that frank loves ozzie. They may have their moments but they have a mutual respect for each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) That's why I said what he really thinks. one more thing, Frank Will retire a sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Guillen is a prick, pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:13 PM) Guillen is a prick, pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Wow, how many times have I defended Ozzie? Is this the first? Maggs, you're such a prick. The guy who singled you out as a great player who should have gotten a chance earlier, and you finger him as the bad guy? Let it go. You have a hundred f'n million dollar contract, and you b**** ABOUT IT? Stfu. You got more money injured than you deserved healthy, and you b****? You're injured this moment for a (hernia???? INSERT INJURY HERE), and you... And that's enough. Maggs is just not worth it, people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan56789 @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 11:16 PM) Ditto. I think he means Ordonez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) Guillen is a prick, pure and simple. sounds like cubbie talk to me <_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:18 PM) sounds like cubbie talk to me <_> or a man who just has a differing opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Its surprising that Ordonez has a problem with Guillen and not KW. It seemed that KW was the one that talked about him the most this off-season. Well I miss Clee and Maggz but it seems that they both had problems being in our club house so maybe it is better that they are gone Regardless I still both of them have nice careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 (edited) whatever rangercal. I don't drink the kool-aid, I follow baseball. Look that LAST thing anyone needs around here is to hav e areferendum on Ozzie or Maggs. I've made my feelings perfectly clear abotu the way that JR?KW/Ozzie have portrayed Cabllao/Maggs/Valenitn/Frank. At some point we have to let this die. Edited April 22, 2005 by Punch and Judy Garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 What exactly did Ozzie or KW say about Valentin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Thank you Tmar. It's people like you and JimH and qwerty that make me happy to be a part of this board even when I have an unpopular opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 09:20 PM) whatever rangercal. I don't drink the kool-aid, I follow baseball. Look that LAST thing anyone needs around here is to hav e areferendum on Ozzie or Maggs. I've made my feelings perfectly clear abotu the way that JR?KW/Ozzie have portrayed Cabllao/Maggs/Valenitn/Frank. At some point we have to let this die. Ozzie didnt start this BS. He also didn't bring it back up. Maggs did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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