jackie hayes Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 03:18 AM) sounds like cubbie talk to me <_> Not even close. P&J's one of the better posters on this site, imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I could be wrong about Valentin in that it's mre people around here than the organization. I apologize. Atl least until Ozzie opens his big mouth and rips valentin anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Thanks Jackie,, I've long valued your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 09:23 PM) I could be wrong about Valentin in that it's mre people around here than the organization. I apologize. Atl least until Ozzie opens his big mouth and rips valentin anyways. Ozzie wants what's best for the team. Maggs wants what is best for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Ok i guess Im the only one who backs ozzie, what ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 03:25 AM) Ok i guess Im the only one who backs ozzie, what ever. No, did you see my post? At least on this I back Ozzie 100%. But that doesn't mean I'll turn on someone who's always been a good poster who disagrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Listen rangercal, let's meet somewhere in the middle at least. I liek Ozzie. I really do. He's the first pro player I've ever met. I'll never foreget it. I just don't get why he and KW can't no comment the past. I feel that they can't get over it at all. The players liek Lee and Ordonez are expected to speak on it because they are asked. As the manager, Ozzie needs to take the higher road or he shouldn't be in such a prominent position. I have no problem with you but I do have a problem with you questioning my loyalties, unless it was in jest in which case I don't mind. I can't think of a 12-4 team besides ourselves whrer the fans would be so obsessed with the past. Please people: move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 No im an Ozzie backer too, Maggz started this s*** with Ozzie not the otherway around so I dont see a problem here. The only one who blasted Maggz was KW after Maggz made some bs commit about us only caring about money not winning. Maggz has made himself out to be a complete ass this off-season, which surprises me because I always thought highly of him before. As for Clee it was obvious Ozzie didnt care much for him at all but i wish he wouldnt talk bad about him. The one thing i dislike about Ozzie is the way he puts down the players on our team currently sometimes but so far they been playing well so cant complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:06 PM) If I'm not mistaken, Ordonez WAS part of the team last season, therefore, signing one of your key players, would be something the manager should worry about. I agree, that is stupid as hell. I can't believe he said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 09:28 PM) Listen rangercal, let's meet somewhere in the middle at least. I liek Ozzie. I really do. He's the first pro player I've ever met. I'll never foreget it. I just don't get why he and KW can't no comment the past. I feel that they can't get over it at all. The players liek Lee and Ordonez are expected to speak on it because they are asked. As the manager, Ozzie needs to take the higher road or he shouldn't be in such a prominent position. I have no problem with you but I do have a problem with you questioning my loyalties, unless it was in jest in which case I don't mind. I can't think of a 12-4 team besides ourselves whrer the fans would be so obsessed with the past. Please people: move on. first of all , let me start off by saying the cub post was a joke ( I realize how that can upset any sox fan like you or me.) I'm sorry. As far as ozzie goes, I know he is not perfect. But as long as he is managing this team I will respect his descisions. I root for the jersey he is wearing more than I will root for any individual player. Maggs and lee are not wearing a sox jersey right now . There is no one who is 100% right or wrong in the ozzie/lee and ozzie/maggs arguments. Right or wrong I will always give the edge to the guy who is on my team. Edited April 22, 2005 by rangercal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Jagglio needs to find a new hobby. Too bad he will be sitting on the DL quite a while and have time to worry about what Sox fans think and not help out the Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Why is Ordonez living in the past? Most free agents sign with their new club and focus on the future. This guy brings up The Sox everytime someone sticks a microphone in his face. This boy got issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Maggs just wants to be a part of our current winning ways. He is jealous of Jermaine Dye and pissed he didnt accept our contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doUrememberwhen Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 well considering i got banned from another site for my Fa.....i mean Magglio comments, but I hope he gets hell from other fans like me when I go to the game to let him know Ozzie's not the only one who thinks the guy is a jackoffavich! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 09:25 PM) Ok i guess Im the only one who backs ozzie, what ever. no way, im with you. i could give a f*** about magglio now. hes got the other teams jersey on now, and he cant get over the fact that he thinks someone ran him outa town. either way he represents the otehr team now, and im gonna take that comment as if torii hunter said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I'm with others in here that Ozzie should not field any question that involves Magglio Ordonez or Carlos Lee in any way, shape, or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I'm sure Maggs has heard the comments Ozzie made over the weekend about how this was a selfish team last season. Probably thinks Guillen was talking about him. be better if the Sox just quit talking about Magglio. No comment works just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 this is a better description of ozzies response http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines The brushfire between manager Ozzie Guillen and former White Sox player Magglio Ordonez turned into a full-scale inferno Thursday morning after Guillen took exception to his fellow Venezuelan calling him an "enemy." "He's a piece of [bleep]," Guillen told Sox beat writers after learning of Ordonez's contempt for Guillen and alleging his manager steered him away from the Sox and to Detroit. "He's a [bleep], that's what he is," Guillen continued. "He's another Venezuelan [bleep]. [bleep] him. "He has an enemy. Now he has a big one. He knows I can [bleep] him a lot of different ways. He better shut the [bleep] up and play for the Detroit Tigers." In a five-minute interview a member of the Tigers staff halted, Ordonez expressed his frustration over his latest injury but was blunter in discussing the lack of a relationship he had with Guillen from the time they briefly played together with the Sox at the end of the 1997 season. "We never clicked, even when we played together," Ordonez said. "I don't consider him my friend. I have nothing to say. I don't want to see him or talk to him. He's my enemy. "If he comes to me and wants to apologize, I wouldn't accept it." Ordonez said later he didn't have a problem with Sox general manager Ken Williams and insisted it was Guillen who got involved with the Sox's decision not to re-sign him. "I don't talk bad about people when people are hurt," said Ordonez, who is on the disabled list and will be examined Monday in Philadelphia by a hernia specialist. "I'm very straightforward. There are a lot of people who try to push you down and do the opposite and not try to help you." Guillen became furious at any suggestion that he should apologize to Ordonez. "Why do I have to apologize to him?" Guillen responded while sitting in his office chair and tapping his right foot frequently. "Who the [bleep] is Magglio Ordonez? Why ever talk about me? He doesn't do [bleep] for me. But if he thinks I'm his enemy, he has a big enemy. He knows me. "I just take it the way he wants to take it." Guillen said Ordonez started the verbal battle in February when Ordonez accused him of forcing him to play last season with a left knee injury that limited him to 52 games and convinced the Sox not to re-sign him after they had offered him a multiyear deal last April. "Why would I get involved with [contract negotiations]?" Guillen asked. "I don't get involved with that." Ordonez later switched agents, from Tom Reich to Scott Boras, and landed a five-year, $75 million contract with Detroit. The Tigers, however, can void the contract if Ordonez's left knee causes him to spend at least 25 days on the disabled list or if he finishes the season on the DL. That would cost Ordonez $63 million, but Guillen insinuated that messing with him would be a greater risk. "I think Magglio is playing with fire," Guillen said. "I'm not afraid of him. I have nothing to apologize [for]. I have nothing to do with Magglio wearing the Detroit Tigers uniform. "Every time when he played for me, he played good. But if he thinks I'm his enemy or I have something against him, it's up to him." Guillen also felt betrayed because he claimed he told then-Sox GM Ron Schueler to put Ordonez on the 40-man roster after he was left off in the mid-1990s. "I told Schueler this kid is better than you think," Guillen said. But apparently not as friendly. Ordonez did meet with a few Sox players after Wednesday's game, including disabled slugger Frank Thomas. And before Thursday's game, Guillen had an animated discussion on the field with friend and fellow Venezuelan Ugueth Urbina. As for Ordonez, Guillen said: "He never was my friend because I don't know him. If I think what I say hurt him, I don't give a [bleep]. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to win games. I have a lot of friends. If Magglio doesn't want to be my friend, I don't have to drink with him. "… A couple people asked me about it, and was nice about his injury and [bleep]. I don't give a [bleep] what he does for the rest of his life. He [bleeped] with the wrong guy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 That's ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I'll start caring about these little squabbles when it starts costing us games. Since it's not and most likely won't, they can b**** at each other as long as they want. Personally, Ozzie makes me laugh when he gets on goofy rants like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 03:18 AM) sounds like cubbie talk to me <_> Geez -- I don't agree with his opinion either, yet it's "Cubbie" talk because he disagrees with your opinion? We just got done reading about the McCarthy hearings in AP American History, too. Disagree with the majority opinion, get called a commie. It's a stretch on my part, though... EDIT: And stupid me, posting after not reading the whole thread. I deserve a bunch of . Disregard everything I said, shouldn't have said anything. Edited April 22, 2005 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:25 PM) Geez -- I don't agree with his opinion either, yet it's "Cubbie" talk because he disagrees with your opinion? We just got done reading about the McCarthy hearings in AP American History, too. Disagree with the majority opinion, get called a commie. It's a stretch on my part, though... EDIT: And stupid me, posting after not reading the whole thread. I deserve a bunch of . Disregard everything I said, shouldn't have said anything. no worries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I suppose it's time to not show my Maggs poster in my room anymore. I have so many old posters that I keep up in my room. For example a 1992 Ken Griffey, Jr. poster. I don't even want to look at Maggs anymore. This is rediculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Ozzie surely should have taken the high road and let it die, but with his comments in the Trib now, this thing will take a huge life of it's own Ozzie has now ripped Maggs, C Lee and Frank I think Ozzie is corrrect in going after Maggs after Maggs called him his enemy, but this is getting to be a trend that is just going to keep affecting this club house until Ozzie shuts the fock up Why should we bother about Jagglio? The guy is gone and we will get plenty of opportunities to boo his ass when he comes here to play (if he ever plays in a Tigger uni) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 This has been smoldering for a long time. I'm called Ozzie basically said "f*** Magglio". I believe the talk will end here. All the rest will happen on the field. I hope someone bruises Magglio's ribs for him. I wish I was going to the Tiger series at the Cell .. I think I'd make a sign that simply say "MAGGS STFU" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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