Ordonez calls Sox skipper his 'enemy'

[Dick Allen]

Ozzie can dish it out, but can't take it. He's criticized Olivo who hasn't said anything in response. He criticized Lee who hasn't said anything in response. He criticized Frank and Frank's not supposed to say anything. Maggs said he doesn't like Ozzie and Ozzie goes off on an expletive-laiden rant, basically saying he can mess with Magglio in many different ways. Not every Venezuelan needs Ozzie's friendship to survive. Maggs needs to move on, no doubt about it, but Ozzie's yapping won't do anything to help make that happen.

[Queen Prawn]

Guillen is a prick, pure and simple.

 

As long as the team continues to win, he can be the biggest prick in the world for all I care.

[DBAHO]

On Maggs, he goes on and on in the off-season about how KW stiffed him when it came to the contract, now he says he doesn't have any problems with him. That tells me all I need to know on his character.

[LosMediasBlancas]

Why should Ozzie have to take that approach.  I like Ozzie's reaction to it.  It's appropriate.

 

Because all he did was stoop to his level. Wanna really piss off Maggs?....then don't allow him to piss you off.

[Steff]

Because all he did was stoop to his level.    Wanna really piss off Maggs?....then don't allow him to piss you off.

 

 

Maggs isn't that bright to participate in that type of mind game... really.

[SoIL]

Why is it so hard for Ozzie to just say:  I'm sorry he feels that way, but Maggs is not on this team any more, so there is no point in continuing to talk about him? This is bad in so many ways, especially when you turn on another Latino, especially a fellow countrymen.

 

Ozzie's always been firey and funny. He's a constant talker and I don't think it's his nature to keep quite on anything. Would it be nice if he didn't say anything, sure, but it ain't gonna happen. Personally it doesn't bother me a bit. I like the way he runs the team and so far it appears he has the Sox playing as a team and playing good. Something I haven't seen on the southside for quite a while. The players seem to like him and like playing for him. So far they've been very successful, that's the bottom line for me.

What Maggs problem is, I don't know. As some have suggested he may miss being a White Sox, or he's just looking to blame his problems and decisions on someone else. I think it's pretty sad. Maggs was my favorite Sox player for a long time. But I really scratch my head over what's been going on since his injury. He really has come off as a selfish, whinning, lier. I do remember Ozzie calling out the Sox for not brining Maggs up. Ozzie said something to the effect that Maggs was being held down because he had an ugly Latin name (more funny Ozzie). I think Maggs had just won the AAA batting title at the time. Maggilo should just let it go. He's not a White Sox anymore. Forget it. I am starting to wonder what effect all this is having on his current teamates. I thought it was interesting that the Tribune article mentioned that a Tiger official cut off the press conference.

[southsider2k5]

I do remember Ozzie calling out the Sox for not brining Maggs up. Ozzie said something to the effect that Maggs was being held down because he had an ugly Latin name (more funny Ozzie). I think Maggs had just won the AAA batting title at the time. Maggilo should just let it go. He's not a White Sox anymore. Forget it. I am starting to wonder what effect all this is having on his current teamates. I thought it was interesting that the Tribune article mentioned that a Tiger official cut off the press conference.

 

Good call, I had forgotten all about that. Some enemy Ozzie is, he probably got Maggs called up in the first place..

[Steff]

Good call, I had forgotten all about that.  Some enemy Ozzie is, he probably got Maggs called up in the first place..

 

 

 

Probably got him a lot of "firsts" in the majors..

[sec159row2]

three words..... PAY PER VIEW.....

 

maybe don king can work it out....

[DBAHO]

three words..... PAY PER VIEW.....

 

maybe don king can work it out....

More like Jerry Springer.

[Harry Chappas]

My take is that Ozzie pulled some strings for him, we could've lost him Rule V long ago and now Maggs is pissing in his Cheerios. This sounds very personal and you know what, I like Ozzie showing he isn't just this jolly rube but a fiery SOB. Maybe AJ is wearing off on some people.

[LosMediasBlancas]

Maggs isn't that bright to participate in that type of mind game... really.

 

....which is exactly why Ozzie should have been. Tell me this, if Ozzie lets those quotes from Maggs just roll off his shoulders, who looks like the stupid, hateful prick? Instead, they both look like catty little girls.

Always take the high road and kill em with kindness.

[thomsonmi]

I've been continually disappointed by how Maggs has handled this situation. Time and time again Kenny and Ozzie have gone out of their way to compliment him and his performance as a White Sox player. Yet, Maggs continues to want to fight about whatever went on with his injury last year.

 

I wish Ozzie would take the high road but its hard to argue with the success of the team so far this year. Ozzie has put himself out on a limb though and they better keep playing well or that limb will be cut off by Jerry Reinsdorf.

[RockRaines]

Guillen is a prick, pure and simple.

And maggs is a whiny little girl who cant take criticism or any harsh comments. I have had alot of coaches who were pricks, and were downright honest about the way I played etc, these are MUCH better than coaches who are "players" coaches and downright lie to you. Look at Baker on the northside, in my opinion, I would rather play for Ozzie. LaRusa is another manager who is a huge prick, seems like he has some success.

[Kid Gleason]

....which is exactly why Ozzie should have been. Tell me this, if Ozzie lets those quotes from Maggs just roll off his shoulders, who looks like the stupid, hateful prick? Instead, they both look like catty little girls.

Always take the high road and kill em with kindness.

 

It depends. To me, and this is MY OPINION, Maggs looks like the little whiney girl, and Ozzie looks like...Ozzie. I expect nothing less out of him.

[RockRaines]

Heres another quote found in the tribune "He knows I can (bleep) him alot of different way. He better shut the (bleep) up and play for the Detroit Tigers."

 

Ozzie says he can f*** Maggs alot of different ways?? Ummm roids possibly......

[southsider2k5]

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/ds.../pro/221sd2.htm

 

So the plot thickens. Interesting that the Trib left out some of these parts. The more I read, the more I would be pissed if I were Oz too.

 

 

Guillen said he tried to help Ordonez with his contract — the same way he helped pitcher Freddy Garcia get a long-term deal last season — and also said he stuck his neck out for Ordonez in 1997, telling the Sox that Ordonez should be added to the 40-man roster and that he needed to be promoted from the minors.

 

"I think the reason they got rid of me in Chicago was because of Magglio," said Guillen, who wasn't re-signed by the Sox after becoming a free agent after the 1997 season. "I had a great relationship with (former GM) Ron Schueler, and I went and protected Magglio in the paper."

 

Ordonez apparently had hard feelings toward Guillen even before the latter was named manager. According to Guillen, word got back to him last season that Ordonez had told the Sox not to hire Guillen.

 

Edited April 22, 2005 by southsider2k5

[OfficerKarkovice]

Holy s***...I don't know if everybody saw this latest article from the Trib (this morning) but this is some high comedy stuff. Ozzie is insane. He really might have lost it.

 

 

 

The brushfire between manager Ozzie Guillen and former White Sox player Magglio Ordonez turned into a full-scale inferno Thursday morning after Guillen took exception to his fellow Venezuelan calling him an "enemy."

 

"He's a piece of [bleep]," Guillen told Sox beat writers after learning of Ordonez's contempt for Guillen and alleging his manager steered him away from the Sox and to Detroit.

 

"He's a [bleep], that's what he is," Guillen continued. "He's another Venezuelan [bleep]. [bleep] him.

 

"He has an enemy. Now he has a big one. He knows I can [bleep] him a lot of different ways. He better shut the [bleep] up and play for the Detroit Tigers."

 

In a five-minute interview a member of the Tigers staff halted, Ordonez expressed his frustration over his latest injury but was blunter in discussing the lack of a relationship he had with Guillen from the time they briefly played together with the Sox at the end of the 1997 season.

 

"We never clicked, even when we played together," Ordonez said. "I don't consider him my friend. I have nothing to say. I don't want to see him or talk to him. He's my enemy.

 

"If he comes to me and wants to apologize, I wouldn't accept it."

 

Ordonez said later he didn't have a problem with Sox general manager Ken Williams and insisted it was Guillen who got involved with the Sox's decision not to re-sign him.

 

"I don't talk bad about people when people are hurt," said Ordonez, who is on the disabled list and will be examined Monday in Philadelphia by a hernia specialist. "I'm very straightforward. There are a lot of people who try to push you down and do the opposite and not try to help you."

 

Guillen became furious at any suggestion that he should apologize to Ordonez.

 

"Why do I have to apologize to him?" Guillen responded while sitting in his office chair and tapping his right foot frequently. "Who the [bleep] is Magglio Ordonez? Why ever talk about me? He doesn't do [bleep] for me. But if he thinks I'm his enemy, he has a big enemy. He knows me.

 

"I just take it the way he wants to take it."

 

Guillen said Ordonez started the verbal battle in February when Ordonez accused him of forcing him to play last season with a left knee injury that limited him to 52 games and convinced the Sox not to re-sign him after they had offered him a multiyear deal last April.

 

"Why would I get involved with [contract negotiations]?" Guillen asked. "I don't get involved with that."

 

Ordonez later switched agents, from Tom Reich to Scott Boras, and landed a five-year, $75 million contract with Detroit.

 

The Tigers, however, can void the contract if Ordonez's left knee causes him to spend at least 25 days on the disabled list or if he finishes the season on the DL.

 

That would cost Ordonez $63 million, but Guillen insinuated that messing with him would be a greater risk.

 

"I think Magglio is playing with fire," Guillen said. "I'm not afraid of him. I have nothing to apologize [for]. I have nothing to do with Magglio wearing the Detroit Tigers uniform.

 

"Every time when he played for me, he played good. But if he thinks I'm his enemy or I have something against him, it's up to him."

 

Guillen also felt betrayed because he claimed he told then-Sox GM Ron Schueler to put Ordonez on the 40-man roster after he was left off in the mid-1990s.

 

"I told Schueler this kid is better than you think," Guillen said.

 

But apparently not as friendly. Ordonez did meet with a few Sox players after Wednesday's game, including disabled slugger Frank Thomas.

 

And before Thursday's game, Guillen had an animated discussion on the field with friend and fellow Venezuelan Ugueth Urbina.

 

As for Ordonez, Guillen said: "He never was my friend because I don't know him. If I think what I say hurt him, I don't give a [bleep]. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to win games. I have a lot of friends. If Magglio doesn't want to be my friend, I don't have to drink with him.

 

"… A couple people asked me about it, and was nice about his injury and [bleep]. I don't give a [bleep] what he does for the rest of his life. He [bleeped] with the wrong guy."

[LosMediasBlancas]

And maggs is a whiny little girl who cant take criticism or any harsh comments.  I have had alot of coaches who were pricks, and were downright honest about the way I played etc, these are MUCH better than coaches who are "players" coaches and downright lie to you.  Look at Baker on the northside, in my opinion, I would rather play for Ozzie.  LaRusa is another manager who is a huge prick, seems like he has some success.

 

When did Maggs whine while he was here?... and when did Ozzie or anyone else criticize his play? Most of this started after he was gone.

I think the bashing of some former Sox players by the Sox is too bad, it's even more sad that a big part of the fan base buy into it. They're gone, it didn't work out, move on. I guess we have find a reason to hate them too.

[southsider2k5]

Heres another quote found in the tribune "He knows I can (bleep) him alot of different way.  He better shut the (bleep) up and play for the Detroit Tigers."

 

Ozzie says he can f*** Maggs alot of different ways??  Ummm roids possibly......

 

Interesting thought. I would hope Guillen would take the high road if that was the case. The last thing I want to see if that stuff happen.

[Dick Allen]

My take is that Ozzie pulled some strings for him, we could've lost him Rule V long ago and now Maggs is pissing in his Cheerios.  This sounds very personal and you know what, I like Ozzie showing he isn't just this jolly rube but a fiery SOB.  Maybe AJ is wearing off on some people.

Maggs was exposed to the rule 5 and went unclaimed. Ozzie didn't pull any strings for Maggs, Schueler was in charge. Maggs performance level increased, I believe he was batting Jeff Abbott for a minor league hitting crown. It was his increased production that earned him a trip to the major leagues.

[LosMediasBlancas]

Interesting thought.  I would hope Guillen would take the high road if that was the case.  The last thing I want to see if that stuff happen.

 

Apparently, Ozzie's map has the high road erased off of it. But the roids thing is just speculation.

[CanOfCorn]

Ozzie will be Ozzie. Ozzie did take the high road. He was praising Jaggs for his play and the kind of player he was for the Sox. Now, after a PERSONAL attack, he goes off on Magglio? I don't blame him one bit.

 

Also, can any of you provide a case where Ozzie NAMED Carlos? I know we and the media have inferred that he was talking about CLee, but has he ever called him out? Or Magglio for that matter?

[southsider2k5]

When did Maggs whine while he was here?... and when did Ozzie or anyone else criticize his play? Most of this started after he was gone.

I think the bashing of some former Sox players by the Sox is too bad, it's even more sad that a big part of the fan base buy into it. They're gone, it didn't work out, move on. I guess we have find a reason to hate them too.

 

In the Southtown article Guillen makes it clear that Maggs played hard for him. KW thanked Maggs for the years that he played here and the numbers he put up at Soxfest. Ozzie went out of his way to compliment Maggs before this series started. Guillen has tried to help Magglio Ordonez at every stage of his career, even before Maggs was on the 40 man roster.

 

Only one person won't let this go, and keeps bringing it up after everyone has gone quiet about it. And it hasn't been just once, it has been repeatedly. And since Ozzie's character got attacked in this one, I don't blame him at all for snapping. Ozzie has probably done more for Magglio's career than any other individual, and this is how Maggs repays him. Good for Oz.

[Dick Allen]

In the Southtown article Guillen makes it clear that Maggs played hard for him.  KW thanked Maggs for the years that he played here and the numbers he put up at Soxfest.  Ozzie went out of his way to compliment Maggs before this series started.  Guillen has tried to help Magglio Ordonez at every stage of his career, even before Maggs was on the 40 man roster.

 

Only one person won't let this go, and keeps bringing it up after everyone has gone quiet about it.  And it hasn't been just once, it has been repeatedly.  And since Ozzie's character got attacked in this one, I don't blame him at all for snapping.  Ozzie has probably done more for Magglio's career than any other individual, and this is how Maggs repays him.  Good for Oz.

 

Ozzie has done s*** for Magglio's career. Ozzie would love to take full credit for it, but it was Magglio who earned his way to the major leagues, not Ozzie popping off to Schueler about him. Ordonez was hitting .329 when he was called up in 1997. I think Maggs played 21 games in 1997 with Guillen as a teammate. Their paths did not cross again until 2004 long after Ordonez established himself as one of the better players in the game.