nitetrain8601 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 That's right. He's the only one who hasn't done anything for this team. Even Dye has had his games. So in spite of the last thread how it should be renamed the Crede line, I say let's name it the Rowand line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Ya, 17 games into the season and Rowand is batting .226. Let's s*** on him. Atleast Rowand has put together 1 good season in his career unlike Crede. Dumbass thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 This thread = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Please delete this.......NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 trade Rowand, I never liked him anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) Please delete this.......NOW. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 10:51 PM) trade Rowand, I never liked him anyways Please DO NOT forget to put that in Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I take this is a shot at all the people who were critical of Crede after only a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(mac9001 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) I take this is a shot at all the people who were critical of Crede after only a few games. Critical of Crede after 2 years, not a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 08:51 PM) Please DO NOT forget to put that in Green. Honestly now, thats so obvious I didnt need the green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 09:51 PM) trade Rowand, I never liked him anyways I heard he kicks puppies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 09:54 PM) Critical of Crede after 2 years, not a few games. Yeah, but people seem to have it in for Crede. If Crede was still hitting .200 people would be b****ing left and right, while one person says something negative about Rowand and everyone comes to his defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted April 23, 2005 Author Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(mac9001 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) I take this is a shot at all the people who were critical of Crede after only a few games. Correct. And to all those people who suggested batting Rowand 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(mac9001 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 10:05 PM) Yeah, but people seem to have it in for Crede. If Crede was still hitting .200 people would be b****ing left and right, while one person says something negative about Rowand and everyone comes to his defense. Because Rowand is good and Crede has been bad for 2 years plus the first couple games of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(mac9001 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 09:05 PM) Yeah, but people seem to have it in for Crede. If Crede was still hitting .200 people would be b****ing left and right, while one person says something negative about Rowand and everyone comes to his defense. Rowand has shown he can put it together over a season. Crede has not. It is just that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballpark Frank - Big Hurt Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I dunno, I am happy enough with 13-4 and if it continues, I have no problem with players' bad streaks. Give him time and don't worry about it until it comes crunch time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 10:06 PM) Because Rowand is good and Crede has been bad for 2 years plus the first couple games of this season. Let me start by saying I'm a huge Rowand fan, but 3 1/2 great months shouldn't cut him that much slack. With that said I don't think he should criticize Rowand after only 16 games; he was justing pointing out people shouldn't have criticized Crede after only a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(mac9001 @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Let me start by saying I'm a huge Rowand fan, but 3 1/2 great months shouldn't cut him that much slack. With that said I don't think he should criticize Rowand after only 16 games; he was justing pointing out people shouldn't have criticized Crede after only a few games. I feel this is a key here. People were not criticizing Crede after only a few games they were criticizing him after 2 full seasons of below expectation play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 This isn't a big deal.. last time someone started a thread saying this about Crede and he went on a friggin tear....hopefully Rowand will do the same...hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 no people started critisizing Crede after the 1st 2 games this season when he went hitless because he was adjusting to his new swing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 (edited) I feel this is a key here. People were not criticizing Crede after only a few games they were criticizing him after 2 full seasons of below expectation play. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excellent post. People here want to say, "I told you so" when it comes to Crede but that's all a bunch of crap. If you just say that every Sox player is good, even when they are sucking, you will always be right once they start performing the way they are supposed to. Edited April 23, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 22, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) I feel this is a key here. People were not criticizing Crede after only a few games they were criticizing him after 2 full seasons of below expectation play. It a new season, the guy should be given a chance. I don't get how you can count a guy out after 5 games, like many people seemed to have done. You know what, I'm gonna stop arguing his point, sit back, drink a beer and enjoy a Sox win. Who cares, the Sox are 13-4 and isn't that what really matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISF Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 And Carlos Lee will will finish the year batting .216, and the Yankees will be under .500 for the year. That is what we've learned so far, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Nice fight. It's April. Relax. I think this thread is just an excuse for you guys to have "make-up sex" later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 (edited) For the most part, hitters really can't control thier BA on balls in play(BABIP), i.e. not HR's or K's. Ichiro is the obvious exception, and speedsters/bunters tend to have a higher BABIP. Essentially you can use BABIP, along with your knowledge of what type of hitter you're comparing, to tell if a hitter has been lucky or not. After tonight, Rowand has a BABIP of .250 compared to a league average of .297 -- His average should come up. Duh Crede, who you might think with his recent hot streak may be a little lucky, has a BABIP of .298 or essentially league average. -- His average hasn't been attributed to luck. Surprise. Last year Rowand had a BABIP of .341 compared to a league average of .303, and Crede had a BABIP of .247. In other words, crede is a good candidate for a rebound, and Rowand is a good candidate for regression. Formula for BABIP = [H-HR]/[AB-HR-K] -- Obviously not everything can be explained by subtracting homeruns and strikouts, but it's a good indicator. Edited April 23, 2005 by Gene Honda Civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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