Do you have a problem?

[greasywheels121]

I wanted Fisk as a manager for these reasons.  Someone who will come right out and say it whether it makes you, billy, buerhle, or harold reynolds uncomfortable.  That's old school.  That's what we needed.

 

Good post. I don't like/agree with everything he's said so far, but we were all saying that we needed someone fiery like Oz after the JM era.

[POTUSChris]

I personally could care less what he says. However, I am starting to get pretty annoyed with the whole Maggs and Ozzie thing. It's time for both of them to just drop it and move on.

[sec159row2]

Ozzie is dumb as a fox... nobody cares about crede/garland making an impact.. nobody cares about how good the whole pitching staff is doing... all the lights are on ozzie and I think it is great... have you heard any "baseball" comments from the players??? all the newspaper articles have their comments about ozzie/mags, but virtually nothing on the game... keeping the press off the players back's and carrying the whole load is great keep up the good work .... Ozzie is dumb as a fox...

[KevHead0881]

The team doesn't seem to have a problem with Ozzie's mouth. So why the f*** would I?

 

I like Ozzie alot. He says a lot of stuff I don't necessarily agree with, but you take that from a guy like Ozzie. It's not like we didn't know that he'd be like this. I for one find him funny, and his aggressive, yet laid back attitude (if thats possible) has rubbed off positively on the team.

 

And yes, I'd say the same thing if we were 4-13. If that were the case, it would most likely be due to poor effort...and Ozzie would be the first person to call out a player if that happened.

[JUGGERNAUT]

He speaks from the heart & the player's respect that. Consider his comments on Monday with respect to Thomas & how he felt sick to his stomach. The players hear that & know it's heartfelt. Now compare that with Maggs.

 

The bottomline is (and I'm not afraid to say it) this team can win 20 games in April. That's unbelievable. He must be doing something right.

[Texsox]

There is the potential for Oz to become a distraction and that should be a small concern. I wouldn't want Ozzies mouth to wrote a check his ass cannot cash.

 

At some point players are going to realize they too will get trashed if they leave. Then they wonder if he's being a bit two-faced in saying nice things. Is he saying this because he means it, or because I'm playing for him? What's he going to say about this if I leave? Those are not the doubts you want your employees to have.

[KevHead0881]

There is the potential for Oz to become a distraction and that should be a small concern. I wouldn't want Ozzies mouth to wrote a check his ass cannot cash.

 

At some point players are going to realize they too will get trashed if they leave. Then they wonder if he's being a bit two-faced in saying nice things. Is he saying this because he means it, or because I'm playing for him? What's he going to say about this if I leave? Those are not the doubts you want your employees to have.

 

Well, there has never been a string of comments from Ozzie that have caused as much controversy as the ones he's made this week, and the players have basically laughed it off. Pauly has called it "comical relief".

 

He hasn't "trashed" everybody who has left. He made a couple not so flattering remarks about CLee and Olivo, but he has also talked about how much he likes those guys. With the exception of the "sliding like a girl" comment, he's had nothing but good things to say about Carlos. The only player he really trashed was Maggs (and you can make an arguement that it was for good reason).

 

Point is, I think our players aren't that sensitive, and know Ozzie well and have come to enjoy his crazy ways.

[JUGGERNAUT]

At some point players are going to realize they too will get trashed if they leave.

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Excuse me? When did Ozzie trash Maggs? I've never heard one statement from him trashing Maggs' talent as a baseball player. In fact, Oz never said a bad word I've read that trashed Maggs as a person .. UNTIL .. Maggs started publicly trashing Oz.

 

As for Lee the only negative thing he said was in reference to the play at 2B vs the Twins. Since then Lee has played harder for the Brewers. You don't hear any of this s*** from Lee. In fact in Lee's case you hear about all the talent the Sox were able to get in trading Lee. Lee's value was only increased in the league with those reports.

 

I disagree with the assertion that if you leave Ozzie he's going to trash you. One player does not constitute a rule. Did he trash E-LO, Flash, Miles, Reed, & Valentin?

 

And then there's the gas bag pc of s*** kotek boy. Bearing his all as well:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay23.html

"the White Sox are playing their most fun, cohesive, meaningful baseball in years.

I don't care."

 

This coming from a nationally known sportswriter from the 3rd biggest market. That's completely classless. If I were his editor I'd fire him on the spot if he didn't print a retraction. I can't think of a bigger diss of a team than this. There are plenty of worthy columnists that can fill that spot & help sell more papers than Kotek boy. There's no mistake here. They have proof-readers. He approved that. That wasn't off the cuff.

 

There is some merit to criticism of Ozzie but Moronotti doesn't come close to mentioning the real cost of his rants. The Maggs-Ozzie thing is personal. The Ozzie-Cub hatred thing is personal. These rants don't cost the White Sox. They only help fuel a fan base that for the most part wants to hear tough talk from the Oz.

 

But what he's said about Lee & Olivo does hurt the Sox. Ozzie's comments amounted to calling Olivo a terrible play caller & Lee gutless. That's not personal. That's baseball related. That hurts the White Sox. Whenever a manager talks poorly about ex players it hurts the franchise's trading status. You want the league to believe you nuture the best most marketable guys in the league. That enhances not only their individual value but more importantly the organizations. Ozzie's comments diminished that.

 

That's what JR & KW need to stop. Olivo is a prime example. I still remember the Boss' comments in July. How Olivo was described by the media as an all-star in the making. Here you have the most influential man in MLB crediting the talent you have. Why tarnish that? Sometimes speaking off the cuff hurts more than it helps.

Lee answered Oz's reference to being gutless with the hard slide into Walker. That one play was like damage control.

 

I'm not a pyschologist but I will agree with the assertion that Ozzie is too caught up in the Sox inferiority complex. He's automatically on the defensive when it comes to trades, comparisons of players, etc. The best trade for any organization is one that helps both teams. This is common sense & everyone knows it. Even Ozzie. He needs to remember that.

Edited April 23, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[elrockinMT]

Jay M's column might be trash, but in response to Ozzie's comments about Magglio I would have to say he has gone to far. You don't make comments about bleeping someone over, etc. That seems to be threats instead of just livewire springjawing by Ozzie. Not good in my opinion and he needs to apologize. Just carrying on the way Ozzie does is not all that bad though.

Edited April 23, 2005 by elrockinMT

[Be Good]

No, he speaks his mind and I love it.

 

You have to love it, results speak for itself. If it continues every Sox fan will love it.

[LosMediasBlancas]

While I do like fire in a manager, there's another thing called class. If you want to say Magglio deserved it, fine. But Guillen is going over the line. I don't care if he said Buerhle is been much better than Wood and Prior. That's fine, they have never played for the Sox. His hatchet job on Frank again was total BS. Talk about getting over something, how many times do we have to hear pitchers didn't like throwing to Olivo. Ozzie popping off about that again a year after the guy was traded, unprovoked, was total BS. Everybody knew he was talking about Lee when he made the comment about a guy going into 2B like his wife was turning the DP. He also said that is why the player isn't here right now. The fact is the media is now going to try and bait Ozzie into another diatribe. There are a lot of things Ozzie has said and done that the media has actually turned its collective head on. A major embarrassment for the organization is just waiting to happen. My advice to him would be at press conferences to talk about the game, and always protect your players. Try to keep your mouth shut about other things and remember he is representing the White Sox organization every time he's in front of a microphone.

 

very well put, someone shoot this ^ right over to KW.

You and I are in the minority, everyone loves his shoot from the hip honesty.

[LosMediasBlancas]

No, he speaks his mind and I love it.

 

You have to love it, results speak for itself.  If it continues every Sox fan will love it.

 

I'll remember that if or when the team slumps......and most teams will slump.

[KevHead0881]

I'll remember that if or when the team slumps......and most teams will slump.

 

All I know is that when we have that slump, I'll have a tough time believing that it will have anything to do with something that Ozzie says.

[Be Good]

I'll remember that if or when the team slumps......and most teams will slump.

Every team slumps. It's impossible not to when your playing 162 games. If the Sox win the division most Sox fans will love him. I never said this team will win every series and not slump.

[LosMediasBlancas]

No, he speaks his mind and I love it.

 

You have to love it, results speak for itself.  If it continues every Sox fan will love it.

 

 

This, to me, implies that you have to love him speaking his mind since the team is winning. In other wordds, the team winning is partly because he speaks his mind. I disagree. By your logic, when the team begins to lose, it also has to be because he is speaking his mind. Him running his mouth has nothing to do with wins or losses, he just needs to shut his dumb mouth and represent his team and the city in a more professional manner. I know this is sports, but remember that this is aslo his JOB. If I ran my mouth at my job that way, I would expect to be pulled into an office for a converstaion.

[LosMediasBlancas]

Every team slumps.  It's impossible not to when your playing 162 games.  If the Sox win the division most Sox fans will love him.  I never said this team will win every series and not slump.

 

I'm not saying the guy should be fired, you're right I'd be ecstatic if we make the playoffs, but he needs to have a sit down with KW and JR.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

With all of the national discussion the past few days over Ozzie's comments, I figured it's time for a poll to ask whether or not Sox fans have a problem with his comments.

 

I for one have no problem with the Ordonez comments, simply because the guy deserved exactly what he got for opening his yap.  THe Frank Thomas comments for some of you may have been another story.

 

Bottom line, do you have a problem with Ozzie's mouth? 

 

Vote and discuss.

 

 

I have no problem whatsoever. This is such a refershing change from kiss ass Uncle Jerry. We now have a manager with a set between his legs & a real plan for the team. Oz is the best thing to happen to White Sox baseball since Frank Thomas.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Jay M's column might be trash, but in response to Ozzie's comments about Magglio I would have to say he has gone to far. You don't make comments about bleeping someone over, etc. That seems to be threats instead of just livewire springjawing by Ozzie. Not good in my opinion and he needs to apologize. Just carrying on the way Ozzie does is not all that bad though.

 

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-doug23.html

 

Here's what the players think about Oz and his mouth. You tell me which is more important.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

I couldn't give a damn what he says.

In fact when I woke up Friday and flicked on Comcast and saw all his bleeps I started laughing my balls off.

 

 

Anyone have a link to some video of this. I really would like to see it.

[DBAHO]

The team is winning and it'd not really becoming that big of a distraction. When they do start losing and Ozzie is still running his mouth off, then yes there will be a problem.

[aboz56]

Looks like the poll speaks very favorably on the side of Ozzie.