Article about our skipper

[valponick]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oD...cnnsi&type=lgns

[Punch and Judy Garland]

I agree with everything he said really. It is becoming too much of a norm to tear writers to shreds who have opinons on the White Sox that you guys don't like.

[valponick]

I agree with everything he said really. It is becoming too much of a norm to tear writers to shreds who have opinons on the White Sox that you guys don't like.

 

I read alot of Donovans stuff and most of it is garbage, not just the stuff he writes about the White Sox. And calling him a moron is hardly "tearing him to shreds" so stop being dramatic and relax chief.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

Sorry chief but I'm addressing a great pattern over just he last week that has included Gammons, Rosenthal, Donovan, and Brantley just to name a few. People at soxtalk don't know how to disagree with someone.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I read alot of Donovans stuff and most of it is garbage, not just the stuff he writes about the White Sox.  And calling him a moron is hardly "tearing him to shreds" so stop being dramatic and relax chief.

 

 

I just think writers are too eager to rip the Sox. They're supposed to be kicking us when we're down. The Sox are obviously not the most popular team amongst sportswriters and national media, but why not at least wait until a 3-game losing streak (That is, if we ever have one this year) to bash us?

[valponick]

Sorry chief but I'm addressing a great pattern over just he last week that has included Gammons, Rosenthal, Donovan, and Brantley just to name a few. People at soxtalk don't know how to disagree with someone.

Address it in another thread.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

Actually it has to do with the topic of this thread and I don't know who the hell you are to tell me where and when to post. Back the F off.

[valponick]

 

I just think writers are too eager to rip the Sox.  They're supposed to be kicking us when we're down.  The Sox are obviously not the most popular team amongst sportswriters and national media, but why not at least wait until a 3-game losing streak (That is, if we ever have one this year) to bash us?

 

I agree, the funny thing is he talks about how the focus should be on the guys on the field and not whats going on with Ozzie and Magglio but nobody has control over what the focus is on except for the media. They like to amplify all of this garbage that happens off the field and dont' give us any props on the field. I mean we have won 7 games in a row and are 15-4 and still every single lead in of every sports show is about the Yankees, BoSox and Cubs. No matter what we do on the field, they will never LET the focus be on our players who are playing their asses off, the media likes to take these things and squeeze them and play them out over weeks, it just annoys me as a fan. It doesn't even annoy me so much that we don't get any coverage or respect from the media (I'm happy to just be winning, thats all that matters) but it pisses me off when the only things they want to show about the White Sox are the negative.

[Spiff]

Sorry chief but I'm addressing a great pattern over just he last week that has included Gammons, Rosenthal, Donovan, and Brantley just to name a few. People at soxtalk don't know how to disagree with someone.

 

 

Not only do they not know how to disagree with people, they don't know how to agree.

 

"ESPN says we suck." = f*** ESPN WHAT DO THEY KNOW

 

"ESPN says we're good." = f*** ESPN WE DON'T NEED THEM LIKING US ALL OF A SUDDEN

[Punch and Judy Garland]

you noticed that too spiff huh?

[Yossarian]

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Sorry, I agree with him. Ozzie comes across not just outspoken, but angry and vindictive too. In business and in life I like straight at you direct, to the point, outspoken people. What Ozzie does is way beyond this. On another note, yes we Sox fans and our team are the poor neglected red haired step children of American sports. The national media would love to see the cute adorable ones from the north side in the playoffs much more than they'd like to see the Sox be there. Still, the degree of reflexive circle the wagons mentality about each and every little slight isn't going to help the cause. If the Sox keep winning, the media will have to shine the spotlight on our team. It would be a good thing if our "outspoken" manager would keep that in mind and learn to pick his times to go off with a little more discretion.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Sorry, I agree with him. Ozzie comes across not just outspoken, but angry and vindictive too. In business and in life I like straight at you direct, to the point, outspoken people. What Ozzie does is way beyond this. On another note, yes we Sox fans and our team are the poor neglected red haired step children of American sports. The national media would love to see the cute adorable ones from the north side in the playoffs much more than they'd like to see the Sox be there. Still, the degree of reflexive circle the wagons mentality about each and every little slight isn't going to help the cause. If the Sox keep winning, the media will have to shine the spotlight on our team. It would be a good thing if our "outspoken" manager would keep that in mind and learn to pick his times to go off with a little more discretion.

 

Something just doesn't seem right when the negative articles heavily outweigh the positive articles for a team playing this well with this kind of record, regardless of it being early.

 

But the players aren't distracted and we continue to play well, so it really doesn't matter how many negative articles the media can churn out.

 

Regardless, it's just a minor pet peeve that they have to be more negative than positive.

[RockRaines]

Sorry, I agree with him. Ozzie comes across not just outspoken, but angry and vindictive too. In business and in life I like straight at you direct, to the point, outspoken people. What Ozzie does is way beyond this. On another note, yes we Sox fans and our team are the poor neglected red haired step children of American sports. The national media would love to see the cute adorable ones from the north side in the playoffs much more than they'd like to see the Sox be there. Still, the degree of reflexive circle the wagons mentality about each and every little slight isn't going to help the cause. If the Sox keep winning, the media will have to shine the spotlight on our team. It would be a good thing if our "outspoken" manager would keep that in mind and learn to pick his times to go off with a little more discretion.

Would you rather have Jerry Manuel back???

 

We knew what we were getting with Ozzie, he has been the same person even when he was a player. I think its fine that he says what he says, half the time he doesnt mean what he says because he just doesnt know english as well as he should. Let them put the spotlight on him, then the team has less to read about themselves and can keep on winning.

 

Ozzie

[Queen Prawn]

I just find it funny that 1) he is rehashing something that seems to have been settled 2) tells half a story (the Maggs thing) and 3) the best thing he could find to write about a team that is 15-4 is that the manager has a big mouth.

 

Ozzie does have a big mouth, but the writer might try writing the full story instead of bits and pieces to make a story, so to speak.

[Kid Gleason]

It is funny though, as he mentions that a successful manager doesn't do things like this. Well, as of this point in the season I would say Ozzie is pretty darned successful.

[Yossarian]

Would you rather have Jerry Manuel back???

No. I wouldn't want Terry Bevington either. I still say that Ozzie takes things to the extreme at times and some day it's gonna bite him you know where. I'm happy as all get out that we're 15-4. When you're going that good you can say what you damn well please. There are a number of things to like about Ozzie. Going psycho apes*** over Ordonez whining to the press is not one of them.

[BobDylan]

Sorry chief but I'm addressing a great pattern over just he last week that has included Gammons, Rosenthal, Donovan, and Brantley just to name a few. People at soxtalk don't know how to disagree with someone.

 

I disagree. We know how to take a shot in the mouth if the information is right. Most of these "experts" don't know s*** about getting their facts correct.

[ISF]

I giggled when he said this was the same stuff Bowa got canned over.

Bowa is not a player's manager. Guillen hangs with the players and is honest with them, they aren't worried about what Guillen will say behind their back, they're too busy hearing it to their face.

 

Donovan forgot to address the possibility that maybe Ordonez is just a whiny who has blamed everyone but the man in the mirror for his not re-signing with the Sox. He had 14 million reasons to do so and decided to say no.

 

Ozzie is not going to take that crap from anyone, and I don't blame him. Give him hell I say.

[Dick Allen]

I giggled when he said this was the same stuff Bowa got canned over.

Bowa is not a player's manager. Guillen hangs with the players and is honest with them, they aren't worried about what Guillen will say behind their back, they're too busy hearing it to their face.

 

Donovan forgot to address the possibility that maybe Ordonez is just a whiny who has blamed everyone but the man in the mirror for his not re-signing with the Sox. He had 14 million reasons to do so and decided to say no.

 

Ozzie is not going to take that crap from anyone, and I don't blame him. Give him hell I say.

 

Ozzie is straight with the players? Did he tell Lee that he would be traded because he didn't go into 2nd hard, like he told the audience at Soxfest? Did he tell Olivo that the pitchers didn't like throwing to him like he has told the press time and time again? Did he tell Frank he had a horrible attitude to his face or did he just announce it to the press. He's straight alright. Just as soon as they hit the road. It is a shame that the 15-4 record isn't getting half the play in the press as Ozzie's mouth. This might work for a while, but believe me, these players that think its funny now, won't think its too funny if it is the end of August and they still have the best record and all the stories are about the stupid things that come out of the manager's mouth. Its time JR and KW to sit this guy down and tell him they want to run a classy not crassy organization. If these quotes keep up, it will in the long run, be very detrimental to the organization.

Edited April 25, 2005 by Dick Allen

[ISF]

Ozzie is straight with the players? Did he tell Lee that he would be traded because he didn't go into 2nd hard, like he told the audience at Soxfest? Did he tell Olivo that the pitchers didn't like throwing to him like he has told the press time and time again? He's straight alright. Just as soon as they hit the road.

 

 

Ozzie did in fact tell Lee he could be traded. He also questioned why Lee didn't go after the 2B right after that game.

 

I don't know what he told Olivo, but since Alomar got a lot more playing time than one would have expected, I'd bet he did tell him there was a reason.

[Spiff]

you noticed that too spiff huh?

 

Oh yeah, I noticed all right. For a bunch of people who claim not to care about what "experts" say, they do a whole lot of caring.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

My new Frank theory: Ozzie says that he has a bad attitude because he walks. My idea is that they want Pods and Harris to walk and nobody else. Ozzie never walked as a player and I think our horrible obp is no accident. I feel that this is how they want to play. THey want guys like Dye and Rowand and Crede to be first pitch hacking. Obviously Frank is a very patient hitter and isn't going to become a guy who doesn't see pitches. This is obviously a bad strategy but I think it is the one they want and maybe that is what is behind the Frank problems.

[Yossarian]

Ozzie is straight with the players? Did he tell Lee that he would be traded because he didn't go into 2nd hard, like he told the audience at Soxfest? Did he tell Olivo that the pitchers didn't like throwing to him like he has told the press time and time again? Did he tell Frank he had a horrible attitude to his face or did he just announce it to the press.  He's straight alright. Just as soon as they hit the road. It is a shame that the 15-4 record isn't getting half the play in the press as Ozzie's mouth. This might work for a while, but believe me, these players that think its funny now, won't think its too funny if it is the end of August and they still have the best record and all the stories are about the stupid things that come out of the manager's mouth. Its time JR and KW to sit this guy down and tell him they want to run a classy not crassy organization. If these quotes keep up, it will in the long run, be very detrimental to the organization.

Excellent. Great. Fantastic. Wish I'd written it myself, it's just what I was trying to get across.

[YASNY]

I just find it funny that 1) he is rehashing something that seems to have been settled 2) tells half a story (the Maggs thing) and 3) the best thing he could find to write about a team that is 15-4 is that the manager has a big mouth.

 

Ozzie does have a big mouth, but the writer might try writing the full story instead of bits and pieces to make a story, so to speak.

 

Mariotti pulled the same crap when we did his obligatory Ozzie bashing column.

[southsider2k5]

Ozzie is straight with the players? Did he tell Lee that he would be traded because he didn't go into 2nd hard, like he told the audience at Soxfest? Did he tell Olivo that the pitchers didn't like throwing to him like he has told the press time and time again? Did he tell Frank he had a horrible attitude to his face or did he just announce it to the press.  He's straight alright. Just as soon as they hit the road. It is a shame that the 15-4 record isn't getting half the play in the press as Ozzie's mouth. This might work for a while, but believe me, these players that think its funny now, won't think its too funny if it is the end of August and they still have the best record and all the stories are about the stupid things that come out of the manager's mouth. Its time JR and KW to sit this guy down and tell him they want to run a classy not crassy organization. If these quotes keep up, it will in the long run, be very detrimental to the organization.

 

I would guess the answer to most of those questions is yes. Ozzie has no problems saying what is on his mind to anyone.