The Sky is Falling

[JUGGERNAUT]

I challenge any & all pessimists to build their best arguments. I love destroying them

 

Here's another one. Garland will fall back to Earth. Dating back to Jul 04, he now has 16 quality-winnable starts over his last 22. That's 16 starts where he has pitched at least 6 in, & given up no more than 4r. The majority of those starts were 3r or less. Maybe he's found himself a nice stable orbit

Edited April 26, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[BobDylan]

Maybe people are afraid of success.  If we keep winning they'll have nothing to b**** about.

 

Amen.

[Fotop]

I challenge any & all pessimists to build their best arguments.  I love destroying them

 

Here's another one.  Garland will fall back to Earth.  Dating back to Jul 04, he now has 16 quality-winnable starts over his last 22.  That's 16 starts where he has pitched at least 6 in, & given up no more than 4r.  The majority of those starts were 3r or less.  Maybe he's found himself a nice stable orbit

 

 

Not a challenge Juggs, but I state again how can you quantify intangibles? Doesn't that go against the very definition of the word intangible? You can toss all the stats at me you want, I just don't think it's fair to use ones that try to quantify something that is not measurable. Call it like it is, SF,SH,SB are good statistics they just have nothing to do with the concept of intangibles.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Not a challenge Juggs, but I state again how can you quantify intangibles? Doesn't that go against the very definition of the word intangible? You can toss all the stats at me you want, I just don't think it's fair to use ones that try to quantify something that is not measurable. Call it like it is, SF,SH,SB are good statistics they just have nothing to do with the concept of intangibles.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

What is intangible (hard to quantify) is thier value. Some people would value a hit more than a sacrifice. I would not. A sacrifice means the play moved a runner over possibly leading to a R. A hit may or may not have done that. I would value a RON hit more than a sacrifice. Some people would value a DB over a SB. I would not. A SB means a runner gained a base due to a weakness in the oppositions defense. Whether it be the pitcher, the C, or the MIF covering the bag. It gets under a teams skin & that usually leads to greater weakness. A DB can be earned w a good hit on a solid pitch or a weak pitch. It doesn't carry the same mental impact. Again I would value a RON DB more than a SB. A bunt or infield hit (SH) has a similar impact. It's a gain due primarily to the opposition's weakness.

 

Sagarin doesn't value these stats the same as I do. He does not distinquish RON situations from NON situations in his RPG calculations. IMO that's a mistake. What a player does in a RON sit is far more important than what he does in a NON sit. Especially if he does not have good speed.

 

The same can be said for the out related stats. I consider assists & dps as more complex plays. The more adept a team is at making the complex play the greater the range of plays the team can record for outs. With respect to PO's when calculating what I call a player's effective RF & ZR I consider a DP worth 2 PO's & an Assist worth 1. That's my own value applied to these complex plays & that opinion is not shared by all.

[Fotop]

Well under your definition, any stat is therefore intangible because their value differs from person to person. It seems as though this charcteristic is not specific to the three stats you have singled out. So by grouping three statistics together and calling them "intangibles" is all together misleading.

 

Stats are stats yes, but to me intangible is a terrible choice of words. Intangibles to me are chemistry, attitude, desire, etc. attributes that aren't able to be measured by any numbers yet important attributes nonetheless.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Well under your definition, any stat is therefore intangible because their value differs from person to person.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I doubt that very much. R, RBI, H, DB, HR have a pretty standard value. I can understand your argument though that when you think of intangibles you think of aspects of the game that aren't tabulated very much (FC, close plays, web gems, back up plays, disposition on the field, battery relationship, etc.). You have a valid point.

So perhaps a better reference to these stats (TC, PO, A, DP, F%, E, SH, SF, FC) would be teamwork stats. They require the play of more than 1 person & they are not considered part of the $ stats (R, RBI, HR, H, DB, SB).

 

So let's say the Sox may be lagging in some $ stats for some players that drags down the team avg's in some sits. But they are amongst the leaders in most teamwork stats & that's helped them get to a 16-4 record.

[Fotop]

"Teamwork" stats makes much mroe sense and is not nearly as oxymoronic as "intangible" Good call on the name change.

[gettysburg32]

This team is simply a hilarious riot right now, how could you not get wrapped up in it and just grab a beer and enjoy it? That feeling is best summed up by southsider's post, I completly agree with him. Just look at the last three games.

 

Saturday, after scoring two quick runs and getting a 2-1 lead, Zach Grienke shuts us down for his next six innings. Joe Crede extended his hitting streak to 14 games (which is funny enough on its own). Then the Royals score one in the 8th, and could've scored more. KC loads the bases in the 9th with 1 out, Marte somehow gets out of it. In the 10th, AJ, Uribe, and Rowand ducksnort and scratch their way to the GW run. We left 12 men on base, Contreras had to leave the game in the 4th inning, PK was 0/4, Carl was 0/5, AJ was 0/4 but scored 2 runs, SOX WIN!

 

Sunday, we should've scored about 7 runs in the first 2 innings, instead it's only 2-0, and KC takes the lead 3-2 in the 7th. In the top of the 8th, Willie starts the rally, PK and ARow get hits, and the Pablo doubles for the go ahead RBI. Cotts gets the win, Shingo gets the save. Ozzie finishes the game with Pablo at 1st, but Pablo makes the defensive play of the game in the 9th. The Sox commit 4 errors, get 2 hits through the 1st 7 innings off of Danny Bautista, I repeat, Danny Bautista. El Duque throws about 350 pitches in 5 innings. Ozzie said, "It was poor pitching, poor defense and real bad offense." But, SOX WIN!

 

Monday, Barry Zito comes into the night 0-3 & with a Shingo-like ERA, but magically regains his Cy Young form for the first six innings. Jon Garland is throwing a career game though, and its 0-0 in the 7th. Chris Widger hadn't hit a ML HR since AUGUST 9th, 2000. So last night, he takes Zito deep and gone to left for a 2-0 lead, AJ goes and gets the HR ball from a fan and gives it to his substitute Widger, and the Sox keep going for a 6-0 win. Ozuna is 2/3 w/ 2 runs. Garland goes the CG, retiring the last 13 straight A's, and is 4-0. Once again for effect, Zito is 0-4, Garland is 4-0. SOX WIN!

 

So in the last three days, Pablo, Widger, Crede, Willie, PK, Rowand, AJ, Carl, Uribe, Pods, Cotts, Vizcaino, Shingo, Marte, El Duque, and Garland have all been heroes at various points, and for better or for worse, our manager went on a expletive-filled tirade against a former player. The Sox have now won 8 in a row, and are now at 16-4 (.800), and 5 games ahead of Minnesota. Why complain about anything right now? Everyone saying, "it's a long season, blah blah blah troubles me, or blah blah blah will come back and bite us, or blah blah blah Ozzie better learn," could very well be proven right, but they're also right in saying it's a long season, so therefore IMHO there will be plenty of occasion throughout this long season to get back to complaining, right now, THIS IS TOO MUCH FUN!

 

[YASNY]

Totally awesome post Gettysburg.

Edited April 26, 2005 by YASNY

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

This team is simply a hilarious riot right now, how could you not get wrapped up in it and just grab a beer and enjoy it? 

 

 

THIS IS TOO MUCH FUN!

 

     

 

 

You're damn right. Now, more than ever, I find myself anxiously awaiting my next fix of White Sox baseball. It hasn't been this much fun to be a fan since 2000 and then back to the early 90's.

[Steff]

Totally awesome pst Gettysburg.

 

 

Totally agree.

[RibbieRubarb]

Totally agree.

 

This team actually reminds me of the 1990 White Sox team that won 94 games

(Damn Oakland and their 103 wins)

[kapkomet]

Actually - you want a comparison? The 2003 Royals? Naaah.

 

Try the '84 Tigers.

 

We can all dream that's the way this season ends up for the Sox, eh?

[EvilJester99]

Actually - you want a comparison?  The 2003 Royals?  Naaah.

 

Try the '84 Tigers.

 

We can all dream that's the way this season ends up for the Sox, eh?

Thats what was said on Mike & Mike this morning... can the Sox be the 84' Tigers...we can only hope eh?

[Controlled Chaos]

Totally agree.

 

Totally agree with your guys total aggreance!!

 

Great post!!

 

Well not yours, but getty's!! :banghead :banghead

[Controlled Chaos]

Totally agree.

 

Totally agree with your guys total aggreance!!

 

Great post!!

 

Well not yours, but getty's!! :banghead :banghead

[RockRaines]

Totally awesome post Gettysburg.

Best post of the season so far, I think the same things. I was thinking, these are the types of things that championship teams do, just like the twins used to do to us. Find a way to win.