WHarris1 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Wow Apparently the Pistons and Heat are playing by more violent rules than no blood no foul. As Billups is gushing from his mouth and no foul was called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 I haven't seen a perimiter player playing at the level Wade is playing at since you know who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 30, 2005 Author Share Posted May 30, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ May 30, 2005 -> 01:44 AM) I haven't seen a perimiter player playing at the level Wade is playing at since you know who. I think I like Wade more than I do LeBron. Carry this league Wade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ May 30, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) I haven't seen a perimiter player playing at the level Wade is playing at since you know who. I totally agree with this statement. I hope the Heat can win this series. It would be a great match up, Bowen vs Wade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 30, 2005 -> 10:14 AM) I think I like Wade more than I do LeBron. Carry this league Wade. He is not a selfish player, taht's what guide him to be superstar. However, LJ has better numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ May 30, 2005 -> 12:44 AM) I haven't seen a perimiter player playing at the level Wade is playing at since you know who. Ben Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backman Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 If wade doesn't play game six, you can chalk it up to the pistons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(backman @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:35 AM) If wade doesn't play game six, you can chalk it up to the pistons! Not so fast...he didnt play the yesterday's 4th quarter and the Heat got great contributions from guys like Damon Jones and Rasual Butler. IMO, Van Gundy should bench Wade for game 6 and go full strength in game 7. Let's go Heat! Let's go Heat!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 30, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) I think I like Wade more than I do LeBron. Carry this league Wade. And apparently you're not alone. From Sam Smith's latest column: The question came up among national media and scouts about whom you'd rather have, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Dwyane Wade or Stoudemire. The consensus was Wade first and Stoudemire second. And wait until Stoudemire develops a post game. Does everyone agree w/ this? I was surprised, but then I don't follow basketball as closely as many people here. Sad to think so many people had Wade going to the Bulls a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backman Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 (edited) i would take: Wade first, then LeBron, Garrnett, then Stoudemire Edited June 4, 2005 by backman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:41 PM) And apparently you're not alone. From Sam Smith's latest column: Does everyone agree w/ this? I was surprised, but then I don't follow basketball as closely as many people here. Sad to think so many people had Wade going to the Bulls a couple years ago. I try not to read Sam Smith articles, so I'm not sure whether they're talking futures or players you'd take right now, but I'll take any one of these guys first: Tim Duncan Shaquille O'Neal Kevin Garnett Ben Wallace I'm not going to rank them. IMO, Stoudemire would be in the second tier right now with guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko. Best SGs and SFs to add to a defensive squad: Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen Best PGs to add: Steve Nash, Jason Kidd I don't think that teams should build around combo guards and SFs who are lights out on offense, but can not play great defense. Put Wade or Lebron James on Golden State, and then we'll see what's up. I can say without a doubt that if you put any of my four first tier players on Golden State, you'd have a Conference Finals contender. But people will continue to overrate the Dominiques and Drexlers of the world in a championship sense. BTW, basketball fans, stop looking for the next Jordan, it ain't gonna happen. Jordan won Defensive Player Of The Year in 1987, and could have won it a bunch of other times. Nobody could ever begin to match that guy's competitive spirit out of the SG position. Edited June 4, 2005 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) IMO, Stoudemire would be in the second tier right now with guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko. I'm surprised you like Amare. QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) Best SGs and SFs to add to a defensive squad: Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen Defensive? QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) Best PGs to add: Steve Nash, Jason Kidd I'm surprised you uttered the name Steve Nash. QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) Put Wade or Lebron James on Golden State, and then we'll see what's up. I can say without a doubt that if you put any of my four first tier players on Golden State, you'd have a Conference Finals contender. He would be about as good, but nobody can deny that Shaq has contributed to his success. Although the Lakers are nowhere near as good, Kobe is still a star. I CANNOT and WILL NOT say that I believe, without any doubt, that the Warriors make the Conference Finals with Ben Wallace or KG, and I really like those guys. I have no idea how you could be that confident about that statement. QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) But people will continue to overrate the Dominiques and Drexlers of the world in a championship sense. Huh? Drexler has a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 01:54 AM) Huh? Drexler has a ring. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) Yes. And 'Nique doesn't. I wasn't sure what he meant by "But people will continue to overrate the Dominiques and Drexlers of the world in a championship sense." Glide has a ring. 'Nique doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 07:14 AM) And 'Nique doesn't. I wasn't sure what he meant by "But people will continue to overrate the Dominiques and Drexlers of the world in a championship sense." Glide has a ring. 'Nique doesn't. Drexler played on insanely deep teams. He was an incredible player on the offensive end, a Top 50 player of all time, but remember, the Rockets won it all in 1994...one year before Clyde joined them. He got his ring, that is true. But he's not the guy who leads you to an NBA championship, despite his Top 50 status. That's why I liken him to guys like Wade, Bryant, Pierce, McGrady, etc. That was my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:54 AM) I'm surprised you like Amare. I'm surprised you uttered the name Steve Nash. I CANNOT and WILL NOT say that I believe, without any doubt, that the Warriors make the Conference Finals with Ben Wallace or KG, and I really like those guys. I have no idea how you could be that confident about that statement. Of course I like Amare Stoudemire. Outside of Shaq, KG, and Duncan, who is a more unstoppable paint force in this league? Like I've said before, I want the highest percentage shots possible, and it's very rare when you miss a dunk. Stoudemire led the league in dunks, IIRC. Nash is obviously one hell of a QB in the right place at the right time. Put Marion back at SF, Stoudemire back at PF, and you'll have some consistent defensive play out of those positions. Add a rebounding/shot altering presence to the C slot like Samuel Dalembert after you cut Johnson loose and start Jimmy Jackson from the jump at SG, and you can give the Spurs a much better challenge in 2006. Unless Jackson is just about done, I dunno. He's been in the league for 14 years. You'll also have a damn good 6th man/3 point specialist in Quentin Richardson. The Warriors don't make the Conference Finals for certain with a Wallace or a Garnett in addition to what they had last year minus Baron Davis? I'll buy that, I merely said that they'd be a Conference Finals contender. Point is, those four first tier guys are, minus Garnett, the championship links since Jordan retired. And KG? He'll lead someone to a title within the next four to five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) Of course I like Amare Stoudemire. Outside of Shaq, KG, and Duncan, who is a more unstoppable paint force in this league? Like I've said before, I want the highest percentage shots possible, and it's very rare when you miss a dunk. Stoudemire led the league in dunks, IIRC. Nash is obviously one hell of a QB in the right place at the right time. Put Marion back at SF, Stoudemire back at PF, and you'll have some consistent defensive play out of those positions. Add a rebounding/shot altering presence to the C slot like Samuel Dalembert after you cut Johnson loose and start Jimmy Jackson from the jump at SG, and you can give the Spurs a much better challenge in 2006. Unless Jackson is just about done, I dunno. He's been in the league for 14 years. You'll also have a damn good 6th man/3 point specialist in Quentin Richardson. The Warriors don't make the Conference Finals for certain with a Wallace or a Garnett in addition to what they had last year minus Baron Davis? I'll buy that, I merely said that they'd be a Conference Finals contender. Point is, those four first tier guys are, minus Garnett, the championship links since Jordan retired. And KG? He'll lead someone to a title within the next four to five years. Amare was second, curry could have been possibly been third if he wasn't out for those games. http://www.sportsline.com/nba/dunk-o-meter/yearly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:07 PM) Amare was second, curry could have been possibly been third if he wasn't out for those games. http://www.sportsline.com/nba/dunk-o-meter/yearly Fascinating stuff. I can't believe that Garnett only had 86 dunks on the season. Do you have any idea where I could find these stats for previous years? I did a google search, and I couldn't find anything. However, I found this gem: Facts About Basketball It doesn't get any more comprehensive than that if we're talking about basketball facts. Edited June 5, 2005 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) Drexler played on insanely deep teams. He was an incredible player on the offensive end, a Top 50 player of all time, but remember, the Rockets won it all in 1994...one year before Clyde joined them. He got his ring, that is true. But he's not the guy who leads you to an NBA championship, despite his Top 50 status. That's why I liken him to guys like Wade, Bryant, Pierce, McGrady, etc. That was my point. He led the Blazers to the Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 02:42 AM) He led the Blazers to the Finals. He was the #1 offensive option on a very intelligent, deep defensive squad. PG: Terry Porter SG: Clyde Drexler, Drazen Petrovic SF: Jerome Kersey PF: Buck Williams, Cliff Robinson C: Kevin Duckworth Drexler was the only true scorer, everyone else was crafty on the offensive end. If Sam Bowie would have developed into the rebounding/shot altering force that he should have been, they might have won it all at some point between 1988 and 1992. Think about that squad with Marcus Camby. But yeah, Drexler was one of the Top 50 players in NBA history. There's no denying his scoring prowess. However, guys like McGrady and Pierce are arguably just as good as Drexler ever was, and we all know that you just can't build around players like that and disregard the beef (Orlando Magic and Boston Celtics of recent years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 I also wanted to point out how much the game has changed since the 70s and 80s. Here are your Defensive Efficiency rankings in 1989-1990. 1. Detroit 100 rating, 98.3 PPG Allowed 2. Houston 100.8 rating, 105.3 PPG Allowed 3. Portland 101, 107.9 PPG Allowed 4. San Antonio 101.2, 102.8 PPG Allowed 5. Utah 102.4, 102 PPG Allowed So, while Portland was one of the best defensive teams in the league, you'd never know it by looking at their PPG Allowed. Strange times. Even Detroit allowed close to 100 PPG, and they were arguably the greatest defensive squad in the history of the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) He was the #1 offensive option on a very intelligent, deep defensive squad. PG: Terry Porter SG: Clyde Drexler, Drazen Petrovic SF: Jerome Kersey PF: Buck Williams, Cliff Robinson C: Kevin Duckworth Drexler was the only true scorer, everyone else was crafty on the offensive end. If Sam Bowie would have developed into the rebounding/shot altering force that he should have been, they might have won it all at some point between 1988 and 1992. Think about that squad with Marcus Camby. But yeah, Drexler was one of the Top 50 players in NBA history. There's no denying his scoring prowess. However, guys like McGrady and Pierce are arguably just as good as Drexler ever was, and we all know that you just can't build around players like that and disregard the beef (Orlando Magic and Boston Celtics of recent years). I think I might take a healthy Duckworth or Buck Williams over camby on the injured list. Also, take a look at Drexler's assist numbers. This is purely my opinion from what I remember seeing of him when he played, but I would venture to guess that Drexler had much more heart on the court, and probably off, than mcgrady or pierce ever will. When you couple that with his great talent, I'll take him over mcgrady or pierce WITHOUT HESITATION, and that is why I do not see myself saying that they are just as good as Glide. He was the clear leader of those great Portland teams, and the team was essentially built around him, making it to the Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 12:10 PM) I also wanted to point out how much the game has changed since the 70s and 80s. Here are your Defensive Efficiency rankings in 1989-1990. 1. Detroit 100 rating, 98.3 PPG Allowed 2. Houston 100.8 rating, 105.3 PPG Allowed 3. Portland 101, 107.9 PPG Allowed 4. San Antonio 101.2, 102.8 PPG Allowed 5. Utah 102.4, 102 PPG Allowed So, while Portland was one of the best defensive teams in the league, you'd never know it by looking at their PPG Allowed. Strange times. Even Detroit allowed close to 100 PPG, and they were arguably the greatest defensive squad in the history of the NBA. Players used to know how to shoot and hit (especially open) jump shots back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Hey -- From a not-a-huge basketball fan here, is the Detroit/Miami game on TV tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 07:03 PM) Hey -- From a not-a-huge basketball fan here, is the Detroit/Miami game on TV tonight? Yes, it's on TNT right around now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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