Wendelstedt v. Ozzie

[CWSGuy406]

That pitch to Joe was clearly around the outside corner, whatever though.

 

Maybe it's just me, but no way in hell that ball was "clearly" off homeplate. Jason said it best -- the camera view today, you could barely see homeplate. I don't recall exactly where Kendall was setting up, but it looked pretty damn good to me...

 

Ah, well. Go get the Tiggers this weekend. We're still in good shape. .500 ball on the road is all I really want, and go get 'em at home.

[CWSOX45]

Here is how I see it. It was a breaking ball that was inside, and Crede moved a little bit so the ball would make contact with his left arm. In no way did Crede lean out over the plate to get hit.

 

Now if that call was made with regularity with the other 29 clubs, I wouldn't complain at all. However, it is the fact that Wendelstedt was behind the plate and called it.

 

Ozzie had every right to be pissed off, Oakland had been throwing at our guys all series, he also threw Crede out for throwing the bat. If that was done every time a Major leaguer threw the bat, there would be a lot of guys tossed every damn day.

 

These umpires suck, Wendelstedt holds grudges, he doesn't belong in the Majors if he can't call a fair game.

[Balta1701]

I'm sure there are probably unions or all kinds of red tape that will keep this from happening, but c'mon, as it stands, the umps can do no wrong and even if they do, there's no penalty.

 

 

If memory serves...the Umps attempted to go on strike a few years ago...and MLB completely broke their union by simply tossing the former umps out of the game. So somehow...I don't think that any umpires union would be a problem.

[CWSOX45]

as it stands, the umps can do no wrong and even if they do, there's no penalty.

Side note: I feel good about the Sox, even with all the obstacles, they've battled and hung in every game. I think they'll come home, rest, regroup and stomp on the Tigers.  This team IS a team of 'grinders'. We gotta let this series go.

 

 

You're right Los. Considering we had Widger at 3rd, and Crede at Short, you can't be more than happy with the effort they gave today.

 

 

I still love this team, I love the attitude, and I have a feeling the next time we get Oakland in our house, they better get ready to hit the dirt...

 

CWSOX45

[ptatc]

I vaguely remember being critical of Ozzie last season for the altercation between the two, but I can't for the life of me remember what happened. 

 

Oh and let's keep this one clean. The umps didn't cost us the game.  Crede shoulda been wrung up on the pitch before.  If you want to b**** about the Umps, go type in all caps in another post.  This thread is for intelligent discourse.

 

Even with bad calls umps rarely cost teams games. Today's hurt but the lack of clutch hitting and the DP's is what killed us. Very good pitching kept us in it when we should not have.

 

As for the history Ozzie has said in the past that Wendelstedt is out of position and his inconsistent strike zone. This has lead to the comments in the paper and the previous ejection.

[ptatc]

I guess those umps are geat mind readers.  Oakland hit 5 batters (one after a warning) but nobody gets tossed.  The vibes must have said it was unintentional.  Then Crede gets hit and the ump just knows he was leaning into it.

 

from the reports I've heard only the Sox were warned not Oakland. That is why the Oakland pitcher was not ejected.

[Gene Honda Civic]

from the reports I've heard only the Sox were warned not Oakland. That is why the Oakland pitcher was not ejected.

That's f***ing retarded.

 

Oakland hits 6 batters, and are not warned.

 

Chicago hit 0 and gets a warning.

 

That's f***ed up.

[JUGGERNAUT]

The balk was a far worse call & shifted momentum in Tues game. It was questionable. I personally think the rule should be changed. There are not many deadball rules in baseball & in my opinion it should only be called if the team at bat calls time & appeals to the umpire.

 

When it comes to check swings the team on the field has the right to appeal to an umpire on the field if the ump behind the C doesn't call a strike. A similar policy could be adopted when it comes to balks.

 

As for the Crede play it's not a question of what Crede did or failed to do but rather the fact that the same pitcher had beaned Rowand earlier in the inning. My experience as a little/pony league umpire leads me to believe that when that happens you give the benefit of the doubt to the hitter because the pitcher has already proved his wildness.

[jackie hayes]

As for the Crede play it's not a question of what Crede did or failed to do but rather the fact that the same pitcher had beaned Rowand earlier in the inning.  My experience as a little/pony league umpire leads me to believe that when that happens you give the benefit of the doubt to the hitter because the pitcher has already proved his wildness.

Damn. Well, my experience as a player in pinto ball taught me that it's easier when the dad from the other team pitches because he doesn't want to look like he's throwing easier to his kid so let's do that.

 

No, it IS a question of what Crede did, and what the umps always do -- the MAJOR LEAGUE umps. It's not, however, a question of what you did as a little league ump.

[Guest JimH]

If only the major league umps would always do the same thing, i.e. be consistent.

 

The next time one of the Sox pitchers plunks a guy and that guy does something similar to Crede's at bat, I highly doubt he'll be told he can't go to 1st base. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so.

 

And Bruce Froemming citing a rule book interpretation and defending Wendelstedts call is typical umpire cover your ass bulls***. Froemming has been around more than long enough to know how those situations are handled 99.9% of the time. I'd like to know the last time Froemming told a hit batter he couldn't take 1st base. I bet the answer is "never". I fully expect Froemming to stick up for Wendelstedt because they are fraternity brothers but I'd bet those close to the game see the clear hypocrisy at play.

 

The point made about Duscherer's wildness is a good point and a fair one. If the guy had exhibited pinpoint control and this happened, the call becomes more palatable. Seeing as he was wild inside and Rowand was already plunked (I think it was he who plunked Rowand), then I agree a little more benefit of the doubt should go to the hitter ... seeing as it's a judgement call.

 

I also agree the bigger travesty in that inning was Crede being ejected. Wendelstedt needs to grow a thicker skin and not try to show everybody how big his stones supposedly are.

 

All the above ... my opinion.

 

Lastly, I think the mess of the last two games will bring the team closer together and they will bond over this. Just a feeling.

[3E8]

Wendelstedt needs to grow a thicker skin and not try to show everybody how big his stones supposedly are.

This is the growing trend that I can't stand. Umpires are jumping at every chance to puff out their chests. Today's game was a prime example.

[Flash Tizzle]

Did anyone watching Sportscenter hear the context of this quote during the introduction?

 

Believe I heard,"..hit and not awarded first base." Broadcaster sounded amazed, and I can only infer he's referring to our game.

 

I know its rather obscure in this thread, but I'm interested in how the national media covers this.