BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Karim effin' Garcia is there! Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Karim effin' Garcia is there! Case closed. i was thinking the same thing..karim garcia in CF?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2003 Author Share Posted April 19, 2003 Yeah, are we to believe Jim Edmonds, Lance Berkman, Larry Walker, Austin Kearns that much faster at the position? I know Chisoxfn has a strong opinion on the matter but I was wondering how others felt. Aaron Rowand is looking awful right now beyond belief and we could sure use regular atbats for Daubach even if it means giving up a bit defense which is already shaky as it is...Until Borchard is ready to be a real hitter in 2004 and beyond. Again, Karim Garcia?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Yeah, are we to believe Jim Edmonds, Lance Berkman, Larry Walker, Austin Kearns that much faster at the position? I know Chisoxfn has a strong opinion on the matter but I was wondering how others felt. Aaron Rowand is looking awful right now beyond belief and we could sure use regular atbats for Daubach even if it means giving up a bit defense which is already shaky as it is...Until Borchard is ready to be a real hitter in 2004 and beyond. Again, Karim Garcia?! ive said for a long time i wouldnt have a problem with maggs in CF..if we cant figure out our CF woes this year..i think the sox should ask maggs to go to winter ball and play some CF and see if he thinks he can handle it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Yeah, are we to believe Jim Edmonds, Lance Berkman, Larry Walker, Austin Kearns that much faster at the position? I know Chisoxfn has a strong opinion on the matter but I was wondering how others felt. Aaron Rowand is looking awful right now beyond belief and we could sure use regular atbats for Daubach even if it means giving up a bit defense which is already shaky as it is...Until Borchard is ready to be a real hitter in 2004 and beyond. Again, Karim Garcia?! ive said for a long time i wouldnt have a problem with maggs in CF..if we cant figure out our CF woes this year..i think the sox should ask maggs to go to winter ball and play some CF and see if he thinks he can handle it I see a minor problem occurring there. WE NEED A CFer NOW! Next year, we'll have Borchard ready....and we'll let him work through the growing pains(if there are any)....and we'll have Maggs in RF....and hopefully someone else in LF other than Carlos....or maybe we have someone else in CF and Maggs and Borchard flip-flopping between LF and RF. I still wanna trade CLee for Shannon Stewart...hopefully, he'd realize he's not invincible there and he'd start killing the ball...and Toronto wouldn't mind dealing with us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 I have stated many times Rowand is a GOOD 4th OF that is all , he is not an everyday starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 I think you bring up Willie.....and send down Paul...... Atleast by putting Willie in there you increase team speed ten fold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 I think you bring up Willie.....and send down Paul...... Atleast by putting Willie in there you increase team speed ten fold. Right now....that is maybe one of the only things we could do. I'd still like to get Rios and Dauber more playing time than they would if Harris came up and was the CFer....meaning more pine time for CLee and PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 I think you bring up Willie.....and send down Paul...... Atleast by putting Willie in there you increase team speed ten fold. Why would the Sox be playing Willie Harris at 2B everyday in AAA and not in the OF at all, if he was a legitimate option in CF for the Sox? Makes no sense.... I think we need to be patient with Rowand. I disagree with Soxfun and believe that Rowand is very capable of being an everyday outfielder. Rios is not the long term answer in CF for this year and if Borchard isn't ready, then we need to find a way for Rowand to produce. I don't think sitting him would help the situation. As long as the Sox keep winning, who cares if it takes Rowand or a few others longer to get hot than the others. Wins are what matters. If the Sox can keep finding ways to win, there is no need to panic over Rowand's slow start. Show him he is the guy and give him a shot of confidence. He'll be okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Yeah, are we to believe Jim Edmonds, Lance Berkman, Larry Walker, Austin Kearns that much faster at the position? I know Chisoxfn has a strong opinion on the matter but I was wondering how others felt. Aaron Rowand is looking awful right now beyond belief and we could sure use regular atbats for Daubach even if it means giving up a bit defense which is already shaky as it is...Until Borchard is ready to be a real hitter in 2004 and beyond. Again, Karim Garcia?! Ah hell, if Rowand continues to suck out there, and I haven't seen much to show that he isn't then you may just have things working. We could add a lefty bat in Daubach, but god will our range be terrible. Daubach isn't very good and neither is Carlos and Maggs will be below average out there. Easier solution, bring up Borchard's bat, imo. If were gonna play Maggs in center, to me it means that the other guys have failed, so why not bring up our golden boy Borchard. That being said I happen to like Rios and am not worried about letting him take over as the starter for now. Defensively he's not as good as Rowand, but its not quite as bad as an outfield with absolutely three no range guys cause at least Maggs has good range in right and Rios has more range in center then Maggs would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Yeah, are we to believe Jim Edmonds, Lance Berkman, Larry Walker, Austin Kearns that much faster at the position? I know Chisoxfn has a strong opinion on the matter but I was wondering how others felt. Aaron Rowand is looking awful right now beyond belief and we could sure use regular atbats for Daubach even if it means giving up a bit defense which is already shaky as it is...Until Borchard is ready to be a real hitter in 2004 and beyond. Again, Karim Garcia?! Ah hell, if Rowand continues to suck out there, and I haven't seen much to show that he isn't then you may just have things working. We could add a lefty bat in Daubach, but god will our range be terrible. Daubach isn't very good and neither is Carlos and Maggs will be below average out there. Easier solution, bring up Borchard's bat, imo. If were gonna play Maggs in center, to me it means that the other guys have failed, so why not bring up our golden boy Borchard. That being said I happen to like Rios and am not worried about letting him take over as the starter for now. Defensively he's not as good as Rowand, but its not quite as bad as an outfield with absolutely three no range guys cause at least Maggs has good range in right and Rios has more range in center then Maggs would. Again, I recommend patience with Rowand. No need to panic right now. Maggs will not be the CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimenez4MVP Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Why not let Borchard have the job.. I am tired of watching Rowand stink up the place, he needs to go.. Borchard or Harris need to have that job, thats all I can say about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Once again, Harris can't play outfield, and he can't hit major league pitching. His speed is there in the outfield, but he's got a rubber arm. Borchard needs more seasoning, don't rush him. He should be the starting CF by about next year. Stick with Rowand. Thomas, Lee, Konerko, Olivo are all in slumps, and we're sticking with them. So why not Rowand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2003 Author Share Posted April 19, 2003 Easier solution, bring up Borchard's bat, imo. If were gonna play Maggs in center, to me it means that the other guys have failed, so why not bring up our golden boy Borchard. I am going to put this as nicely as I can....because Borchard is not a good player (let alone an All Star or even MVP player we've all expected him to become!) at this point and everytime I see He Seup Choi I am once again reminded exactly why. I am not counting on Borchard to be able to step in and do awesome damage until at least 2005. He is a hitting equivalent of Felix Diaz, Honel, Rauch and Neal Cotts--these guys are the Next Wave of what hopefully will become Braves-like dynasty in a weak central...Meanwhle we have a clutch, power bat in Daubach rotting on the bench, he can't contribute, he can't even prove himself to be a good trade bait (something that Rowand, Paul and other dreck are not no matter how much we pretend). This "must-win" season the priority should be Dabauch, Rios, Rowand...Harris/Borchard if all else fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 borechard doesnt need to step in and do awesome things..all he needs to do is play good defence and show enough power from the left side to make pitchers adjust..we are kicking ass with rowand hitting a teen models weight...we dont borchard to be a savior...just add a little pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 borechard doesnt need to step in and do awesome things..all he needs to do is play good defence and show enough power from the left side to make pitchers adjust..we are kicking ass with rowand hitting a teen models weight...we dont borchard to be a savior...just add a little pop If you are winning, then why do you need Borchard at all? WhiteSox 247 said it best. Rowand is certainly not the only guy out there not hitting, so let's just bench everybody. Daubach is not the answer because he cannot play CF. They will not move Maggs to CF so scratch that idea now. I honestly have never seen a bunch of fans whine and complain more about guys on a team that is winning. Do you really want everybody playing at World Series level right now? Wouldn't October be a better option? Quit your whining about Rowand until he is hitting .200 a month from now and the team is losing. Until then understand that... Sometimes the best option is to do NOTHING AT ALL. Read it and learn it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimenez4MVP Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Thank you Baggio We dont need Borchard to come in and be an allstar, but if hes gonna hit the long ball and produce runs.. I think thats perfectly fine for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 borechard doesnt need to step in and do awesome things..all he needs to do is play good defence and show enough power from the left side to make pitchers adjust..we are kicking ass with rowand hitting a teen models weight...we dont borchard to be a savior...just add a little pop If you are winning, then why do you need Borchard at all? WhiteSox 247 said it best. Rowand is certainly not the only guy out there not hitting, so let's just bench everybody. Daubach is not the answer because he cannot play CF. They will not move Maggs to CF so scratch that idea now. I honestly have never seen a bunch of fans whine and complain more about guys on a team that is winning. Do you really want everybody playing at World Series level right now? Wouldn't October be a better option? Quit your whining about Rowand until he is hitting .200 a month from now and the team is losing. Until then understand that... Sometimes the best option is to do NOTHING AT ALL. Read it and learn it! rex..we are winning..but we are not playing good ball...detroit could lose 120 games..cleveland 100 and kc will come back to earth and probably lose between 80-90..thats over 300 losses between the three teams we have played...if the white sox themselves think they are playing good ball..they are gonna get a serious ass whooping at the hands of the better teams in the league.. we have played better the last 2 games..so i hope thats a good sign things are getting better...but if we go up against any of the contender sstranding runners like we have most of the year we are gonna be in for a rude awakening...this team still has to come together and do more of the little things it takes to win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 we are kicking ass with rowand hitting a teen models weight Baggs....what teen models do you look at? The ones I see probably can't even weigh 90 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 we are kicking ass with rowand hitting a teen models weight Baggs....what teen models do you look at? The ones I see probably can't even weigh 90 pounds. isnt that about what aaron is hitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 we are kicking ass with rowand hitting a teen models weight Baggs....what teen models do you look at? The ones I see probably can't even weigh 90 pounds. isnt that about what aaron is hitting Last time I checked, it's more like a hefty girl's magazine model....atleast 175 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2003 Author Share Posted April 19, 2003 They will not move Maggs to CF so scratch that idea now. I wish they would though...you know something about Maggs's lack of defensive ability/speed that I should know about, Rex? It's embrassing for me to once again defer to Jim Edmonds (not a speed guy, average arm), Larry Walker (Maggs's speed and arm), Lance Berkman (ditto), Austin Kearns (slower than Maggs, though his arm is better...only switched to CF after Griffey went down) and Karim Garcia (slower, heavier than Maggs, weaker arm too). Heck didn't Vladimir Guerrero play CF a little bit? Everyone raves about his blazing, 40-SB speed forgetting that he got CS an insane 20 times. I don't think he is much faster than Maggs if at all. His arm is a bit better, but you can't have everything, common...And Rios is slower than Maggs, has weaker arm and get bad jumps in CF. I say put Ordonez in CF, Daubach in RF and let Borchard jell in AAA until he can cut down on Ks, produce to the tune of 950-1000 OPS in a sandbox of a park and generally outplays the competition like Crede did among others. Are y'all serious in thinking that a) Borchard who got that huge bonus and tons of publicity is NOT counted on as a future superstar and b) that he is ready now to outproduce a relatively cheap Brian Daubach who is potentially either a Thomas/Lee/Konerko replacement or a really good trade bait? Of course if Willie Harris continues to destroy AAA then call him up and disregard my proposal. And, BTW, 11-6 against some s***ty (Royals included) opposition ain't all that impressive, especially after the sheer Fan's Hell that we call 2001-2002 seasons where nearly everything that could possibly go wrong in the organization did...Don't try to pretend like "everything is clicking" and we just came off a 11-1 West Coast trip, Rex. My suggestion(s) are perfectly reasonable and constructive. I've certainly done my share of cheerleading up to this point and don't feel I have to pander and sugarcoat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Whine some more people. The Sox are winning and that is all that matters. You guys want to tinker when patience is needed. I would think it is a GOOD thing that we are winning yet not playing well. That bodes well for the time when we do put it all together. But if you must, go ahead and bring up Borchard to supply power. A guy that has ZERO home runs so far should do just that. f***in relax people. b**** if the Sox start losing. If not shut up and enjoy some victories. You tinker every time a guy has a bad week or two, all of a sudden you are screwing up the team's chemistry. Let's just go back to the old Steinbrenner days where constant change f***ed up everything and kept the team from winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Whine some more people. The Sox are winning and that is all that matters. You guys want to tinker when patience is needed. I would think it is a GOOD thing that we are winning yet not playing well. That bodes well for the time when we do put it all together. But if you must, go ahead and bring up Borchard to supply power. A guy that has ZERO home runs so far should do just that. f***in relax people. b**** if the Sox start losing. If not shut up and enjoy some victories. You tinker every time a guy has a bad week or two, all of a sudden you are screwing up the team's chemistry. Let's just go back to the old Steinbrenner days where constant change f***ed up everything and kept the team from winning. if steinbrenner owned our team we wouldnt be b****ing...most of us have been following this team since we were kee high to a grasshopper..we are smart enough to know that a hot is nice but as the season goes on ther eis always a chance that everything that can go wrong , could...thats the way it is with what's left of this team's fan base after 20 years of reinsdorf ownership.,...remember about 1/3 of the fan base left never to return 6 years ago..what you got left are the real die hards...and we love to b**** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 20, 2003 Author Share Posted April 20, 2003 Way to go to address my post, Rex. Where did you read I wanted Borchard up? I was the one who said not to expect anything special from him until at least 2005.... Rowand is terrible. Open your eyes, man, watch some of his at bats. The only time he wasn't terrible (September 2001 which made for an erroneous impression that he was an OBP machine) he was very lucky with bunt singles, infield singles, bloopers, HBP, etc. If you want Rios there, fine. Harris? Fine. Butr I still think it's worth to give Maggs a shot. Nothing in stone. I already listed reasons why in my last post. And you're right, right now Willie Harris is out-slugging Borchard. f***in relax people. b**** if the Sox start losing. If not shut up and enjoy some victories. No, you shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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