ESPN radio on Crede call

[JUGGERNAUT]

http://bradbury.sewanee.edu/hatpic/hbp.jpg

Since the DH was added to the AL, AL hitters are 12.5% more likely to HBP by NL hitters.

 

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2005/200...eball_rules.pdf

 

Approved ruling:

If the batter freezes (makes no attempt to avoid the pitch) and is hit by a pitch that is clearly inside the vertical lines of the batter's box, the ball is dead & the batter is awarded first base.

 

Further discussion beyond the approved ruling cited factual evidence believing that more injuries result from trying to avoid the pitch than from being hit by the pitch. This was the main reason behind adding the freeze rule to NCAA baseball. A subsequent reason was to clarify what is meant by avoiding the pitch. The rationale was that as long as the hitter's movements remain w/in the batter's box the hitter has reasonably tried to avoid the pitch.

 

That was essentially Crede's argument that night as well.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Umpire Gary Darling's viewpoint on when HBP should be negated:

Only when the batter moves his bat such that it appears he offered at the pitch. In otherwords it's the movement of his bat & not his body that should determine whether a player attempted to avoid a pitch.

 

http://www.goldenbaseball.com/

However, since determining effort is purely based on judgment, many umpires will only void the hit batsman call if the hitter obviously moves into the path of the pitch.

Edited May 1, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[YASNY]

Umpire Gary Darling's viewpoint on when HBP should be negated:

Only when the batter moves his bat such that it appears he offered at the pitch.  In otherwords it's the movement of his bat & not his body that should determine whether a player attempted to avoid a pitch.

 

http://www.goldenbaseball.com/

However, since determining effort is purely based on judgment, many umpires will only void the hit batsman call if the hitter obviously moves into the path of the pitch.

 

That's not what the rulebook says. You need to let this go.

[jackie hayes]

That's not what the rulebook says.  You need to let this go.

Why? I was just beginning to wonder what the cricket rule book states about a hbb...

[JUGGERNAUT]

Umpire Gary Darling's viewpoint on when HBP should be negated:

Only when the batter moves his bat such that it appears he offered at the pitch.  In otherwords it's the movement of his bat & not his body that should determine whether a player attempted to avoid a pitch.

 

http://www.goldenbaseball.com/

However, since determining effort is purely based on judgment, many umpires will only void the hit batsman call if the hitter obviously moves into the path of the pitch.

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The rulebook doesn't say jack s*** about how to judge whether a player avoided a pitch or not. But in any organization where judgemental rules exist practice dictates policy.

The practice is clearly defined & the ump making the call against Crede bucked it.

 

This can be easily avoided if MLB adopts the NCAA freeze rule.

[Rex Hudler]

http://bradbury.sewanee.edu/hatpic/hbp.jpg

Since the DH was added to the AL, AL hitters are 12.5% more likely to HBP by NL hitters.

 

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2005/200...eball_rules.pdf

 

Approved ruling:

If the batter freezes (makes no attempt to avoid the pitch) and is hit by a pitch that is clearly inside the vertical lines of the batter's box, the ball is dead & the batter is awarded first base.

 

Further discussion beyond the approved ruling cited factual evidence believing that more injuries result from trying to avoid the pitch than from being hit by the pitch.  This was the main reason behind adding the freeze rule to NCAA baseball.  A subsequent reason was to clarify what is meant by avoiding the pitch.  The rationale was that as long as the hitter's movements remain w/in the batter's box the hitter has reasonably tried to avoid the pitch. 

 

That was essentially Crede's argument that night as well.

 

Those numbers don't mean squat in terms of this argument and Crede didn't freeze. Even if he did, citing an NCAA rule again doesn't mean squat in this situation.

 

Keep trying.

[Rex Hudler]

Umpire Gary Darling's viewpoint on when HBP should be negated:

Only when the batter moves his bat such that it appears he offered at the pitch.  In otherwords it's the movement of his bat & not his body that should determine whether a player attempted to avoid a pitch.

 

http://www.goldenbaseball.com/

However, since determining effort is purely based on judgment, many umpires will only void the hit batsman call if the hitter obviously moves into the path of the pitch.

 

Which Crede did. You are proving your dissenters right, not wrong.

Edited May 1, 2005 by Rex Hudler

[JUGGERNAUT]

I didn't read one news report suggesting it was obvious. That's your opinion.

Hardly a fact.