Jon Garland

[YASNY]

Right on, but he's saying that Garland is only facing the opposition's batting order, and not the pitcher.  While this is an interesting theory, I'm gonna go ahead and call bulls*** on that.  If run support ain't one hell of a psychological boost, I dunno what is.  And yeah, while Garland may act cool and front like nothing in the world bothers him, we all know that the dude is human.

 

I can't argue that point. However, Garland is pitching lights out right now. I'm sure Garland couldn't hand like Clemens with the lack of run support he's gotten this year. Or the Unit last year. But those two are grizzled veterans and Garland is a comparative pup.

 

Wait. I said you don't need much run support when you pitch shutouts and you call bulls***? What's bulls*** about that? By definition you only "need" one run per game of run support.

[hammerhead johnson]

Wait.  I said you don't need much run support when you pitch shutouts and you call bulls***?  What's bulls*** about that?  By definition you only "need" one run per game of run support.

 

I called bulls*** on what nitetrain said. He stated that pitchers don't face pitchers.

[YASNY]

I called bulls*** on what nitetrain said.  He stated that pitchers don't face pitchers.

 

You quoted me when you called bulls***.

[KWs OK for Me]

That is one hell of a joint in your sig. That has to be at least a 3 grammer!

[hammerhead johnson]

You quoted me when you called bulls***.

 

Well, I definitely wasn't referring to your post.

 

I was just explaining my original point in greater detail. Pitchers do face pitchers. You said that you don't need any run support if you're tossing shutouts, which is 100% correct, but Garland ain't Hershiser. This won't last. If he finishes with a 3.50 ERA on the season, I'll be ecstatic.

[hammerhead johnson]

That is one hell of a joint in your sig.  That has to be at least a 3 grammer!

 

Yeah, but Bob had to compensate for the lack of potency. You know that's some homegrown dank.

[KWs OK for Me]

Yeah, but Bob had to compensate for the lack of potency.  You know that's some homegrown dank.

No hydroponics back than, and they call that living

[sox-r-us]

To the ignorant poster who said JG's success has a lot to do with the fact that he is our #5 and hence facing the other team's #5, here are some facts you are ignoring:

 

Jon's ERA is less than 2. So it is not like he is getting lit up for runs, and still winning becoz the opponent pitcher is also getting lit up.

 

He has 2 CG shut outs....which is a great reflection of not only his ERA but also of the fact that he is keeping our BP fresh for when they are needed.

 

He has not faced only the 5th starters in all of his 5 wins.

[hammerhead johnson]

To the ignorant poster who said JG's success has a lot to do with the fact that he is our #5 and hence facing the other team's #5, here are some facts you are ignoring:

 

Jon's ERA is less than 2. So it is not like he is getting lit up for runs, and still winning becoz the opponent pitcher is also getting lit up.

 

He has 2 CG shut outs....which is a great reflection of not only his ERA but also of the fact that he is keeping our BP fresh for when they are needed.

 

He has not faced only the 5th starters in all of his 5 wins.

 

Okay, but he's still facing end of the rotation pitchers in the vast majority of his starts. That doesn't make K-Dub ignorant. He listed a bunch of 5th starters in the AL, that's fine. Garland will go up against quite a few of those dudes.

 

And once again, expect a 3.50 ERA or worse over the course of a full season. The guy is on fire right now, but that ain't gonna last forever.

[KWs OK for Me]

To the ignorant poster who said JG's success has a lot to do with the fact that he is our #5 and hence facing the other team's #5, here are some facts you are ignoring:

 

Jon's ERA is less than 2. So it is not like he is getting lit up for runs, and still winning becoz the opponent pitcher is also getting lit up.

 

He has 2 CG shut outs....which is a great reflection of not only his ERA but also of the fact that he is keeping our BP fresh for when they are needed.

 

He has not faced only the 5th starters in all of his 5 wins.

Let's let the mudsling begin. Before calling me f***ing ignorant learn how to read. I believe I said, JG has a good chance to win 20 because of the competition. I did not discredit his success. If you believe he will end the year with an ERA less than 2 than you are either taking too much or not enough of whatever it is that you are on. Jon is succeeding this year because he has been able to keep his walks down and throw strikes. With that said, throughout the year he will on average be facing the 4, 5, and 1 starters. Facing the 4 and 5 starters will allow JG to get run support (specifically early run support) allowing him to pitch from leads. Garland over the last three years has shown that he is a "tempermental" person, and definately works better when he is in the lead.

 

With all that said, I believe and that Jon will continue to do what he's started this year doing: throwing strikes, limiting walks, getting groundball outs, and locating his breaking balls. Keeping to this will allow him to work deep into games and give the Sox the abililty to win when he starts.

 

So if you really want to call me ignorant go right ahead. But before you do you best make sure that you learn to read, or were those words to big for you?

[hammerhead johnson]

Let's let the mudsling begin.  Before calling me f***ing ignorant learn how to read.  I believe I said, JG has a good chance to win 20 because of the competition.  I did not discredit his success.  If you believe he will end the year with an ERA less than 2 than you are either taking too much or not enough of whatever it is that you are on.  Jon is succeeding this year because he has been able to keep his walks down and throw strikes.  With that said, throughout the year he will on average be facing the 4, 5, and 1 starters.  Facing the 4 and 5 starters will allow JG to get run support (specifically early run support) allowing him to pitch from leads.  Garland over the last three years has shown that he is a "tempermental" person, and definately works better when he is in the lead.

 

With all that said, I believe and that Jon will continue to do what he's started this year doing: throwing strikes, limiting walks, getting groundball outs, and locating his breaking balls.  Keeping to this will allow him to work deep into games and give the Sox the abililty to win when he starts.

 

So if you really want to call me ignorant go right ahead.  But before you do you best make sure that you learn to read, or were those words to big for you?

 

Nice.

 

Way to take it to that fake tough guy (best pesci voice).

[YASNY]

Well, I definitely wasn't referring to your post.

 

I was just explaining my original point in greater detail.  Pitchers do face pitchers.  You said that you don't need any run support if you're tossing shutouts, which is 100% correct, but Garland ain't Hershiser.  This won't last.  If he finishes with a 3.50 ERA on the season, I'll be ecstatic.

 

Of course this won't last. If it did Garland would have a season for the ages. I'm not unrealistic here. I do feel like he'll have the first of many damn good years though.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Of course this won't last.  If it did Garland would have a season for the ages.  I'm not unrealistic here.  I do feel like he'll have the first of many damn good years though.

 

 

Do any of you guys think that this being his contract year has anything to do with it?

[KWs OK for Me]

Do any of you guys think that this being his contract year has anything to do with it?

I forgot about that, 25 years old and already at his last year of arbitration! Damn! If he keeps this up, he's looking to make 10-13 mil a yr based on this years FA market. That's incentive enough for me

[YASNY]

Do any of you guys think that this being his contract year has anything to do with it?

 

It may be a contract year, but it's not his FA year. This is no different than last year for him. He'll either sign or go to arbitration.

[KWs OK for Me]

It may be a contract year, but it's not his FA year.  This is no different than last year for him.  He'll either sign or go to arbitration.

You sure he's not FA eligible?

[YASNY]

I really don't think so. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I think he won't be till after '06.

[KWs OK for Me]

This is his 6th year of major league pitching, if I remember the rule correctly isn't it 6 years of arbitration and then eligible for free agency? His first season was 2000 in which he appeared in 15 games and pitched 70 innings, which I believe qualifies as enough to count as a season towards free agency.

[YASNY]

This is his 6th year of major league pitching, if I remember the rule correctly isn't it 6 years of arbitration and then eligible for free agency?  His first season was 2000 in which he appeared in 15 games and pitched 70 innings, which I believe qualifies as enough to count as a season towards free agency.

 

I don't know what the details are, but I believe service time on the big league roster is the determining factor.

Edited May 2, 2005 by YASNY

[Capn12]

Actually, I think KW is correct on that. this is, for statistacal purposes, his 6th year of MLB experience.

 

With that being said, I honestly don't think this has anything to do with it being a contract year. I think it has to do with the fact that he has 2 guys behind the plate that are calling outstanding games, someone pounded it into his head that the defense behind him is there for a reason so let them do their job. Also, this is the first time in a long time that I remember seeing Garland go right after guys, using the sinker as an out pitch, trusting his stuff.

[qwerty]

Garlands third and final arbitration year is after this season.

Edited May 2, 2005 by qwerty

[YASNY]

Garlands third and final arbitration year is after this season.

 

Thank you. I thought so.