Alex Cintron

[aboz56]

Very logical the Cubs would be interested in Cintron.

 

In terms of the White Sox, they tried to pry him away during the winter as Yas stated.  One thing about Williams, he is always looking to upgrade.

 

Given that, and given that Cintron is a talent whom the White Sox like, it is certainly possible.

 

The posts made about team chemistry have a lot of merit, and the bench has been serviceable.  Tough to complain about the job Ozuna and Harris have done, the occasional screw up by both notwithstanding.  Both have contributed and the team has a great record.

 

The fact remains though ... Cintron is a desireable talent and would provide excellent insurance, especially at SS and 3B. 

 

Two things to consider here, the first is Arizona likes Cintron a lot and he will not come cheaply.  The other is, if Cintron comes on board somebody has to go.

 

Another thing to consider when looking at the Sox bench is, who can play 1B.  I guess Widger can and since Ozuna did it I suppose he can as well.  Williams has once again stated he wants the flexibility of Frank Thomas being able to play 1B for the interleague games (if he's even ready by then).  They have not shut the door on Frank ever playing 1B on occasion, whether we agree or disagree.

 

Right now, the White Sox are not an ideal situation for Cintron either.  But I can definitely see if AZ moves him, it will be to an AL team.

 

For the record, I like Cintron a lot and he is better insurance at SS and 3B than Ozuna.  In no way do I mean to minimize the abilities and contributions of Ozuna or Harris but Cintron would be a welcome addition.

 

This is very good insight on the situation, but it all boils down to this.

 

What would we have to give up to get him?

 

If any of these names (B-Mac, Sweeney, Anderson, Fields, Gio, any of our good prospects) are involved, I don't see us getting involved. Why? Because this is not a pressing need for us like it is for the Cubs.

 

And based on how stupid the Cubs can be about trading away talent and with Nomar out, I see them overpaying for him long before the Sox.

[Guest JimH]

This is very good insight on the situation, but it all boils down to this.

 

What would we have to give up to get him?

 

If any of these names (B-Mac, Sweeney, Anderson, Fields, Gio, any of our good prospects) are involved, I don't see us getting involved.

 

And based on how stupid the Cubs can be about trading away talent and with Nomar out, I see them overpaying for him long before the Sox.

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Yes, as you correctly mention, it all depends on what has to be given up.

 

A few days ago we talked about the Cub situation and quickman pointed out Hendry pretty much would have to overpay for anything right now, and I agree. The bottom feeder teams are in no rush to dump guys yet, and AZ is playing well.

Also interesting to note they sent Scott Hairston down, which means Cintron is deemed a better fit for them than Hairston, at least for now.

 

Also, if Cintron were put on the market, no doubt that about a dozen teams would be interested. So yeah, he will definitely not come cheap. White Sox backed off in the winter, AZ wanted too much.

 

But you can bet KW has an eye out on all of this, as he should.

[sircaffey]

There is going to come a time when we will need to strengthen this club to win something serious. I love the chemistry on this club as much as the next person, but as long as this is no Milton Bradley type player, I really don't think a player KW would be interested in would mess with things. KW stakes a lot on personal issues and takes a lot of time asking Sox players whether they'd be a good fit here or not. I trust his judgement, and if he wants Cintron and sees no issues with it then get him. More IF depth is never a bad thing.

[Balta1701]

What would we have to give up to get him?

 

 

That's the $10,000 question right there.

 

When these trade threads come up here, I think everyone should keep 1 thing in mind; by the time the trading deadline rolls around this year, the odds are there will only be 4 or 5 teams who are truly "out of it" beyond any shadow of a doubt (Pitt, Tampa, KC), and maybe 4 or 5 other teams at most who are like the Astros last year; still have a remote shot and may be either buyers or sellers depending on where they are with their teams (Cleveland has a shot to be here, Milwaukee, Probably someone in the NL West, Houston, Cubs, probably someone else you won't expect).

 

This means that more than 2/3 of the teams in baseball are going to be either looking to stand pat or to add something for the pennant race. That is a sellers market.

 

Last year, the Devil Rays got a #1 rookie starter, Scott Kazmir, from the Mets for a #3 or #4 starter. All indications are that if you want to make an upgrading-deal this year...you're going to need to do something like that also.

 

So yeah...if we really want to add something in a trade that's going to be better than what we have, the odds are it's going to cost us BMac or BAnderson level talent. And those are a few guys I don't want KW to touch.

[sircaffey]

Last year, the Devil Rays got a #1 rookie starter, Scott Kazmir, from the Mets for a #3 or #4 starter.  All indications are that if you want to make an upgrading-deal this year...you're going to need to do something like that also.

 

So yeah...if we really want to add something in a trade that's going to be better than what we have, the odds are it's going to cost us BMac or BAnderson level talent.  And those are a few guys I don't want KW to touch.

 

I don't think that's entirely true. I doubt we add MORE pitching. Pitching is ALWAYS the most expensive come the deadline. If you want to make a good comparison of what the Sox would be looking to do this deadline, look to the Delgado/Walker deals for the comparison. A Kazmir type was not part of those deals.

[Guest JimH]

Total side note here, there are 39 on the 40 man right now so if need be there is flexibility to add someone. Might be a total non issue, just thought I'd mention it.

[sircaffey]

I don't think that's entirely true.  I doubt we add MORE pitching.  Pitching is ALWAYS the most expensive come the deadline.  If you want to make a good comparison of what the Sox would be looking to do this deadline, look to the Delgado/Walker deals for the comparison.  A Kazmir type was not part of those deals.

 

Also, I wouldn't put much stock into comparing anything to the Mets organization. That organization has continually been one of the worst for the past decade or more.

[Balta1701]

I don't think that's entirely true.  I doubt we add MORE pitching.  Pitching is ALWAYS the most expensive come the deadline.  If you want to make a good comparison of what the Sox would be looking to do this deadline, look to the Delgado/Walker deals for the comparison.  A Kazmir type was not part of those deals.

 

Yeah, but I would say that this year is even more of a seller's market than last year - aside from Todd Helton, can you name a single person out there that a team might be willing to simply dump? Tampa Bay has a closer that some people are interested in, and Billy Beane is certain to do something, but other than that, there aren't that many people available unless you give up a lot or take on a ton of salary (Mike Sweeney).

 

When you look at it...a lot of teams, like Pitt, Tampa, KC, are where they are not because they're overloaded with bad contracts any more - they're there because they have a ton of young guys that they're trying to develop, and those aren't the kinds of guys you make a deal with.

[southsider2k5]

Total side note here, there are 39 on the 40 man right now so if need be there is flexibility to add someone.  Might be a total non issue, just thought I'd mention it.

 

We all know who the 40th man on the roster is right now...

[sircaffey]

Yeah, but I would say that this year is even more of a seller's market than last year - aside from Todd Helton, can you name a single person out there that a team might be willing to simply dump?  Tampa Bay has a closer that some people are interested in, and Billy Beane is certain to do something, but other than that, there aren't that many people available unless you give up a lot or take on a ton of salary (Mike Sweeney).

 

When you look at it...a lot of teams, like Pitt, Tampa, KC, are where they are not because they're overloaded with bad contracts any more - they're there because they have a ton of young guys that they're trying to develop, and those aren't the kinds of guys you make a deal with.

 

I think as we approach the deadline a lot of names with jump out from the woodwork. They always do, but I understand your point. There really isn't that Beltran player this season.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

I think there could be surprises. Maybe th ePhils decide to get younger if they fall out completely and perhaps the BRaves would swap a player like Furcal for a guy like Juan Uribe.

[Guest JimH]

We all know who the 40th man on the roster is right now...

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Whom? If you're thinking Frank Thomas, he's already on the 40 man.

[southsider2k5]

Whom?  If you're thinking Frank Thomas, he's already on the 40 man.

 

one Brandon McCarthy

[nitetrain8601]

I think there could be surprises. Maybe th ePhils decide to get younger if they fall out completely and perhaps the BRaves would swap a player like Furcal for a guy like Juan Uribe.

 

That's what I was thinking. Maybe we could upgrade at SS, but only if it is a better one and not an equal calibur player.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

I think Uribe for Furcal makes a world of sense because both teams would be contending but not really lose anything. We'd get a guy who can leadoff or hit higher in the order in Furcal with the best arm at SS in baseball and give up a guy of lesser talent. That said, Atlanta might be happy to get a guy in Uribe who they can control and is cheap. I think it'd be a trade that could potentially make a lot of sense for both teams.

[nitetrain8601]

I don't think Atlanta would let him go though. Not until after the season. It seems that they rather just hold onto each player each year until the end of the year. Only time I could think of them making a big trade at midseason was Andruw Jones for Maggs which didn't happen.

[CWSGuy406]

I think Uribe for Furcal makes a world of sense because both teams would be contending but not really lose anything. We'd get a guy who can leadoff or hit higher in the order in Furcal with the best arm at SS in baseball and give up a guy of lesser talent. That said, Atlanta might be happy to get a guy in Uribe who they can control and is cheap.  I think it'd be a trade that could potentially make a lot of sense for both teams.

 

Or we can just keep Uribe and enjoy how awesome he is defensively, as well as bringing a pretty solid stick to the plate...

Edited May 2, 2005 by CWSGuy406

[Punch and Judy Garland]

Nothing against Uribe but Furcal is better at SS and can do more things for us at the plate. I don't think Atlanta is dying to move Furcal but after so many departures with nothing in return-they could bite on Uribe. Make no mistake about it though-Furcal is better than Uribe and a change of scenery will only accentuate that

[qwerty]

Nothing against Uribe but Furcal is better at SS and can do more things for us at the plate. I don't think Atlanta is dying to move Furcal but after so many departures with nothing in return-they could bite on Uribe. Make no mistake about it though-Furcal is better than Uribe and a change of scenery will only accentuate that

 

Furcal is not a better shortstop and that is even discounting his errors.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

I've watched a lot of him and his arm is better than anyones. His range is very good too. Urbie is a fine shortstop but is not in Furcal's class

[qwerty]

I've watched a lot of him and his arm is better than anyones. His range is very good too. Urbie is a fine shortstop but is not in Furcal's class

 

Plain and simple uribe>furcal.

[Winnin Ugly]

I would trade Uribe for Jimmy Rollins.. Have read that the Phillies arent to happy with him

[Rowand44]

Can I ask why all the sudden people wanna trade Juan?

[CWSGuy406]

Can I ask why all the sudden people wanna trade Juan?

 

Yeah, really.

 

Uribe = the shiznit. That means awesome, right?

[Rowand44]

Yeah, really.

 

Uribe = the shiznit.  That means awesome, right?   

Ya dawg.