Rowand44 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 4, 2005 -> 07:59 PM) Could be better... The team's 19 and 7 and we're arguing about a long reliever who's era is under 4, it really doesn't get much better then that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 f*** Botch....send him to the minors. He is so useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 4, 2005 -> 09:04 PM) The team's 19 and 7 and we're arguing about a long reliever who's era is under 4, it really doesn't get much better then that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ May 4, 2005 -> 10:05 PM) f*** Botch....send him to the minors. He is so useless Please don't tell me your talking about Shingo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ May 4, 2005 -> 08:05 PM) f*** Botch That nickname has already been used, try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Politte does the job, paging quickman. Here is the thing about Cotts, he has 7 walks in 7 innings. In his defense, he hasn't pitched much. But he's supposed to do the job and the last thing you want is a guy to walk the only hitter he faces. 7 walks in 7 innings is too much. Whether they do anything about it, who knows. The issue is, who do they have that's better? I don't think Walker is setting the world on fire in AAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Jon Adkins is getting rocked at Charlotte, BTW. Adkins isn't all that much better than Cotts, if better at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Offense does nothing in that inning, the Sox are trying to hang on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ May 4, 2005 -> 08:08 PM) Offense does nothing in that inning, the Sox are trying to hang on here. New York Yankees designated hitter Jason Giambi left the game due to an injured head. ............. thats what you get for using roids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I bought the Hardball Times Bullpen book, and last year, they have Adkins at a WPA (Win Probability Added) of .024 per game, with Cotts at a worse .038. However, they also have Cotts pitching in higher pressure situations -- making the two about equal. Cotts has a better fastball, plus he's lefty. He gets the nod as the last guy in the 'pen, in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I miss Hawk so bad. DJ is bad enough with Hawk, but without Hawk he's down right TERRIBLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ May 4, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) Politte does the job, paging quickman. Here is the thing about Cotts, he has 7 walks in 7 innings. In his defense, he hasn't pitched much. But he's supposed to do the job and the last thing you want is a guy to walk the only hitter he faces. 7 walks in 7 innings is too much. Whether they do anything about it, who knows. The issue is, who do they have that's better? I don't think Walker is setting the world on fire in AAA. Here's my thought on Neal, I really think when he pitches he should start his own inning. It seems it takes him a batter to really get his pitches down. If we need to get a lefty out during the later innings it should be Damaso or Luis not Neal. Neal is up here because every teams needs a long reliever and Neal's our guy. He's the 6th guy out of our pen and he's a pretty damn good one if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ May 5, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) Please don't tell me your talking about Shingo... No I mean Neal Cotts....err...I mean Neal Botch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Donn with an interesting and smart point. He says that a lot of times, the tougher outs are in the seventh and eighth innings, not the ninth. So, why not use your better relievers in those innings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(daa84 @ May 4, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) New York Yankees designated hitter Jason Giambi left the game due to an injured head. ............. thats what you get for using roids <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He got hit in the face with a pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2004 @ May 4, 2005 -> 08:12 PM) I miss Hawk so bad. DJ is bad enough with Hawk, but without Hawk he's down right TERRIBLE. I think he's been doing pretty well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ May 5, 2005 -> 02:13 AM) No I mean Neal Cotts....err...I mean Neal Botch Maybe Vinny Castilla can cure our bullpen 'problems'... :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 The name 'Botch' has been retired because no one will ever be that bad again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 4, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) Donn with an interesting and smart point. He says that a lot of times, the tougher outs are in the seventh and eighth innings, not the ninth. So, why not use your better relievers in those innings? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is one reason why I think the save stat is tremendously overrated. The only I can figure is as a pitcher records more saves (even if he isn't a closer) he'll command more money because of that stupid stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 5, 2005 -> 02:14 AM) Maybe Vinny Castilla can cure our bullpen 'problems'... :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Damaso just embarrased Angel that ab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I have always said closers are over rated and if managers had any sense they would bring in relievers based on when the best hitters were due in the line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Pall's making some very good points now, it's just his voice isn't great for the gig. DJ is also doing much better in the lead role than I would have imagined though. All of Hawk's s*** breaks are paying off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ May 4, 2005 -> 09:15 PM) :headshake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hermanson coming in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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